SFI conflict with CS

Vader · Nov 7, 2023

had a phone call from them today asking why not completed my oplication.
i said it wont let me as i have some CS options.
they confirmed this was the case.
So thats me screwed over..

ploughman1963 · Nov 7, 2023

So are we saying that if you have a mid-tier agreement then the system won’t let you put any SFi options on the same parcels?

farmerm · Nov 7, 2023

ploughman1963 said:
So are we saying that if you have a mid-tier agreement then the system won’t let you put any SFi options on the same parcels?

I don't believe it wont let you put any SFI on the same parcel but it does not allow certain SFI options on the same parcel.

I have parcels with either CSS AB1/AB9 or AB15 all also have the grass margins...

The only CSS conflict I have found is that I can not have SAM3 in the same parcel as AB1 but then I don't intend to anyway.

Norfolk Hill Farmer · Nov 7, 2023

ploughman1963 said:
So are we saying that if you have a mid-tier agreement then the system won’t let you put any SFi options on the same parcels?

It will as long as those options don’t conflict or are already funded under the css.

Had a little go at completing my SFI application the other day, wasn’t expecting to be able to include many SFI options as most is in CSS. i wasn’t wrong.

The SFI doesn’t replace the BPS it’s just the CSS in a different form.

pom · Nov 7, 2023

ploughman1963 said:
So are we saying that if you have a mid-tier agreement then the system won’t let you put any SFi options on the same parcels?

been talking to them for over a week with no conclusion. problem is with cs system no changing 2023 rotational options , may only be able to a sfi claim when cs has changed on 1 jan

kit1023 · Nov 7, 2023

my mid tier ends this dec, so i will wait until jan to submitt my sfi when all my land is available

Vader · Nov 7, 2023

Norfolk Hill Farmer said:
It will as long as those options don’t conflict or are already funded under the css.

Had a little go at completing my SFI application the other day, wasn’t expecting to be able to include many SFI options as most is in CSS. i wasn’t wrong.

The SFI doesn’t replace the BPS it’s just the CSS in a different form.

Won't let me put IGL2 on same land that has CS low input grass..

Norfolk Hill Farmer · Nov 7, 2023

Vader said:
Won't let me put IGL2 on same land that has CS low input grass..

Is the land in CSS GS2. That option, as far as I can see isn’t on the list of compatible css options for IGL2.

Vader · Nov 7, 2023

Norfolk Hill Farmer said:
Is the land in CSS GS2. That option, as far as I can see isn’t on the list of compatible css options for IGL2.

Yes, so about the only sfi worth doing is off the table..

Norfolk Hill Farmer · Nov 7, 2023

Seems so

Norfolk Hill Farmer · Nov 7, 2023

The application seems very easy to do which is something, but because we are doing css and have been for nearly 30 years in all its forms, I reckon we are only going to be able to recoup 5% of the lost bps through SFI.

Farma Parma · Nov 7, 2023

Stil awaiting some Q too be answered on mine so i fear i might be in similar as folks on here a clash with CSS
we wait to find out

Try to succeed · Nov 7, 2023

I submitted a mid tier application (arable offer) before they changed the sfi so radically. This application (not agreed or started yet) is on the sfi system and stopping me putting grassy field corners in for some reason. I’ve sent a load of revisions to my application in to go with less restrictive/easier/cheaper to establish/less open to having money taken off me in year 5 options in sfi. But still need my stewardship to start Jan 1st. It seems I’ll be penalised and won’t be able to apply until that starts?

Farma Parma · Nov 7, 2023

Norfolk Hill Farmer said:
The application seems very easy to do which is something, but because we are doing css and have been for nearly 30 years in all its forms, I reckon we are only going to be able to recoup 5% of the lost bps through SFI.

Kind of kills the whole idea of SFI doesnt it if you cant claim stuff

yellow belly · Nov 7, 2023

I claimed what the system allowed re my mid tier scheme

when i get the declaration for Sfi in 10 months I will increase or decrease the actions to match what I have put on the ground
money will be adjusted to reflect this
this was what I asked the Rpa person when he phoned to ask why I had not completed my application in early October when we were busy farming

the question was when I fill in the declaration can I increase or add actions that I have completed on the ground and will I get paid
the answer was yes you will be paid as long as you have got them on the ground
can I add Actions yes was the answer as long s they are on the ground

so I just have to have all the evidence they require for the actions

pom · Nov 7, 2023

yellow belly said:
I claimed what the system allowed re my mid tier scheme

when i get the declaration for Sfi in 10 months I will increase or decrease the actions to match what I have put on the ground
money will be adjusted to reflect this
this was what I asked the Rpa person when he phoned to ask why I had not completed my application in early October when we were busy farming

the question was when I fill in the declaration can I increase or add actions that I have completed on the ground and will I get paid
the answer was yes you will be paid as long as you have got them on the ground
can I add Actions yes was the answer as long s they are on the ground

so I just have to have all the evidence they require for the actions

i think you may need to check your information as from what i have been told you can only change you sfi for year 2 not what you have done in year 1 ,as i see it you have to do what you applied for on the application and this can not be changed up or down . hope i am wrong

Farma Parma · Nov 13, 2023

SFI submitted no clash with CSS but we wait to find out should be live by dec 1st hopefully.
Best bit is very little that iam not doing already just nice to get paid for it.

Vader · Nov 17, 2023

Anyone know if you can terminate CS options to do SFI before CS end date?

YorkshireAndrew · Nov 17, 2023

Vader said:
Anyone know if you can terminate CS options to do SFI before CS end date?

We’re applying to end our mid tier agreement & put everything into SFI , apparently it’s just a formality.

yellow belly · Nov 19, 2023

Vader said:
Anyone know if you can terminate CS options to do SFI before CS end date?

In the original discussion on Sfi and stewardship it was always stated that if you had a stewardship and found that sfi Was better you would be able to convert /transfer
the mechanism how May be terminate stewardship then concurrently aply for sfi

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