Spring hybrid rye

matttargett4 · Nov 7, 2023

Has anybody experience of this? Presumably rye needs vernalisation? Are there spring varieties etc?
When would it mature and what would it yield?

specifically for ad Wholecrop so I’m not too worried what might be “better”!

thanks

BigBarl · Nov 8, 2023

I don’t believe there are any hybrid spring varieties, only conventionals.
Too late and wet to sow winter rye now - spring only for rye.
Spring rye seed is very expensive compared to spring barley so if it was me I would grow a thick crop of barley to whole crop instead.
I’ve not idea on maturity or yield so I can’t help you there. Good luck!

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

Don't drill any kind of rye into mud. As with triticale, I found it really didn't like it.

Don't be conned into thinking it is 'disease resistant' and needs no agronomic input whatsoever.

som farmer · Nov 8, 2023

we have sown autumn h/rye, needs to be in, in sept, to establish before bad weather, whether that applies to the uk

We have grown it between 2 maize crops, timing is to tight.

yield wise, cutting green, 15 t/ac or more. W/crop, there's a very high straw to grain ratio, so that needs to be realised, but excellent bulk.

don't think there is a spring variety, and winter types, should have been in before now. Cutting green, haven't found a need for fungal disease, mops up nutrients from the maize crop.

teslacoils · Nov 8, 2023

It's shaping up to be scarce for early AD forage.

DaveGrohl · Nov 8, 2023

Our rye drilling campaign has been an unmitigated disaster this autumn.

matttargett4 · Nov 8, 2023

DaveGrohl said:
Our rye drilling campaign has been an unmitigated disaster this autumn.

My everything drilling and harvesting campaign has also

12” in October onto wet ground, worse than 2012

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

matttargett4 said:
My everything drilling and harvesting campaign has also

12” in October onto wet ground, worse than 2012

Leave it all well alone until spring, let it dry out completely, then work it and put it all into maize.

teslacoils · Nov 8, 2023

ollie989898 said:
Leave it all well alone until spring, let it dry out completely, then work it and put it all into maize.

The risk of that being an unmitigated disaster is high.

matttargett4 · Nov 8, 2023

100acs of maize still to cut and the 10mm a day average rainfall is giving that bit of a sour taste!

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

teslacoils said:
The risk of that being an unmitigated disaster is high.

This is Somerset we are talking about. You won't drill a spring crop any sense until March which means spring barley or spring wheat can be on a losing wicket before you even begin. The demand for maize will be pretty stiff any year regardless of the weather and it's a good way of using up a lot of muck/slurry or digestate.

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

matttargett4 said:
100acs of maize still to cut and the 10mm a day average rainfall is giving that bit of a sour taste!

Fill in field, load over the hedge to trailer on the roadside and away.

teslacoils · Nov 8, 2023

ollie989898 said:
This is Somerset we are talking about. You won't drill a spring crop any sense until March which means spring barley or spring wheat can be on a losing wicket before you even begin. The demand for maize will be pretty stiff any year regardless of the weather and it's a good way of using up a lot of muck/slurry or digestate.

March is Bob on for spring barley. When it's chitted, get 30 cube of digestate on it. Will be cut and cleared in good time.

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

teslacoils said:
March is Bob on for spring barley. When it's chitted, get 30 cube of digestate on it. Will be cut and cleared in good time.

This isn't Lincs- you will have to play a very patient waiting game in spring to be able to get a decent enough seed bed and not worry about the stuff drowning or coming up and catching a cold. (or standing there being attacked by crows) You won't get anything like the Wiltshire barley barons in terms of yield, either- those guys are drilling the stuff in Jan-Feb at the very latest to get those yields. In Somerset if you suggest spring barley they look at you like you've just issued forth some extreme profanity.

Your alternative is spring beans which are entirely weather dependant and might net 2 tonne or might not- roll a dice on what weather you get during flowering basically.

In this region the winter wheat in December-January isn't an option I could ever expect people to rely on. When it gets wet down here, it gets wet and stays fudging wet.

teslacoils · Nov 8, 2023

Lol. In 2012 and 2019 it dried up for spring barley here in mid may. Acres underwater or knackered here that will go into barley - if it doesn't there will be plenty of folk in trouble.

matttargett4 · Nov 8, 2023

ollie989898 said:
Fill in field, load over the hedge to trailer on the roadside and away.

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This is already happening and has been for some time, crop is around 8t/ac harvested due to weather losses, single axle trailer weighing a couple of tonnes on big wheels on a 936 and were just able to move, the mess has already compromised next yrs crop and land owners won’t be happy, signing up for a load more next yr on wetter ground than we’re harvesting currently won’t be on the radar, it’ll be fallow before that, out here in the commercial world of 35ppl and £185/t there’s no scope for this bs

ollie989898 · Nov 8, 2023

matttargett4 said:
This is already happening and has been for some time, crop is around 8t/ac harvested due to weather losses, single axle trailer weighing a couple of tonnes on big wheels on a 936 and were just able to move, the mess has already compromised next yrs crop and land owners won’t be happy, signing up for a load more next yr on wetter ground than we’re harvesting currently won’t be on the radar, it’ll be fallow before that, out here in the commercial world of 35ppl and £185/t there’s no scope for this bs

That being the case, spring triticale or spring wheat and chop it all to put up a forager followed by putting it down to grass or perhaps a couple of years of red clover? The whole job is miserable when it comes to that kind of carry on.

som farmer · Nov 8, 2023

we cannot beat the weather, never have, and never will.

you just have to farm with what it lets you.

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