Cultivations

N44CKL

Member
BASIS
Hi,
Having a couple of seasons under my belt as the main decision maker with two polar opposite years, I’m looking at what min-till cultivations would be best. We took on this arable farm which was direct drilled with a 750A year after year, heavy clay ground which was tight as hell. We are trying to maintain structure without disturbing too much soil as the farm has a history of black grass. We have got on with heva stealth and it’s made a huge difference to drainage and we drill direct with our Claydon hybrid twin tine. However, I’m finding if left unworked the soil bakes and the Claydon doesn’t create enough tilth to cover the seed nicely. We did short disc a few hectares and once wet it turned into bottomless pudding.
is there an in between silver bullet that can give tilth and maintain structure?
what we are doing is ok and grows a half decent crop but I’m just not happy with it as a whole and the versatility of it when one field is like concrete and next field over is like meringue. Following beans is beautiful but the baked stubble is the issue. Having tried the twin-discs on the Claydon any moisture and they block up.
we are looking to move to a 6m drill, but with a sabretine or Megant this unworked soil is still going to create a lack of tilth.
In summary, how does a sabretine cope in baked out clay?
should we be scratching all the stubbles to alleviate trash and give tilth?
 

Thomas Simpson

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
N.Yorkshire
Would a grange-type low disturbance cultivator with the drill attached work, depending what hp you had. Get a rake to till lightly to get bg to chit and a bit of tilth.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
When you found the answer come back and tell us. (y)


I haven't any fancy kit but if needed I make a pass with a light spring tine 1inch deep to make a green cover. Spray off, drill I've got a grassland farmer and pass right behind with an Erth panbuster.
But if we have a lot of rain we can have a field porridge.
 

HarryB97

Member
Mixed Farmer
Something like a Claydon Terrastar. A set of discs set shallow should do the job though and is much more versatile.
 

Heathland

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I've changed the 5 legs in my DTX for 3 low disturbance one's made by Agricast,the disc's do enough to create a bit of tilth but the legs get rid of any compaction,straight in with Claydon or straw rake if need be just before drilling.
 

N44CKL

Member
BASIS
Don't make any drastic decisions based on this year or last. Both were extremes at either end of the scale.
Yeah that’s the danger, I’ve had 2 spring drillings and 2 autumn drillings and every time it’s been a rush and changing conditions, the Claydon has been fantastic for saving me through that, however needing to move the 6m for contracting I won’t pull or lift a 6m Claydon
 

Wigeon

Member
Arable Farmer
For what its worth, mine on heavy silty clay with flints:

Simba 2b, cousins subsoiler run 7ish inches with quivogne pluton legs and big DD packer. Horsh tine drill.

Or guttler supermaxx, horsch drill.

Or horsch drill.

Or supermaxx with seeder on.

Roll if required.
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
Hi,
Having a couple of seasons under my belt as the main decision maker with two polar opposite years, I’m looking at what min-till cultivations would be best. We took on this arable farm which was direct drilled with a 750A year after year, heavy clay ground which was tight as hell. We are trying to maintain structure without disturbing too much soil as the farm has a history of black grass. We have got on with heva stealth and it’s made a huge difference to drainage and we drill direct with our Claydon hybrid twin tine. However, I’m finding if left unworked the soil bakes and the Claydon doesn’t create enough tilth to cover the seed nicely. We did short disc a few hectares and once wet it turned into bottomless pudding.
is there an in between silver bullet that can give tilth and maintain structure?
what we are doing is ok and grows a half decent crop but I’m just not happy with it as a whole and the versatility of it when one field is like concrete and next field over is like meringue. Following beans is beautiful but the baked stubble is the issue. Having tried the twin-discs on the Claydon any moisture and they block up.
we are looking to move to a 6m drill, but with a sabretine or Megant this unworked soil is still going to create a lack of tilth.
In summary, how does a sabretine cope in baked out clay?
should we be scratching all the stubbles to alleviate trash and give tilth?
What's your rotation?

Surface cultivation, green up, spray, strip til has worked well here.

Surface cults used to be disc based but gone to a 6m vibroflex this year and I can't believe how well it's taken the rain, even if half of it is too wet to drill
 

N44CKL

Member
BASIS
What's your rotation?

Surface cultivation, green up, spray, strip til has worked well here.

Surface cults used to be disc based but gone to a 6m vibroflex this year and I can't believe how well it's taken the rain, even if half of it is too wet to drill
Wheat, beans, wheat, winter barley/spring barley oats, wheat, beans… been a funny couple of years as had no wheat last year and this year is 2/3 wheat and 1/3 oats due to previous rotation. I think subsoiling pre beans has worked really well for us for establishing a following wheat straight into beans stubble. But I think a light surface cultivation is what we need to add across the board, it’s just a case of discs vs tines to not turn to porridge. I think a tine drill is what we want to stick with as 99% of what I’ve drilled in the last couple of years wouldn’t have drilled with discs.
Drilling direct into oat stubble is one of the worst things I’ve done, straw was baled but so much trash left and sticks to the machine and to the soil and bulldozers under the drill, lesson learnt on that 😂 the wheat has come up well but was a long few days
 

Ninjago

Member
Location
south shropshire
What's your rotation?

Surface cultivation, green up, spray, strip til has worked well here.

Surface cults used to be disc based but gone to a 6m vibroflex this year and I can't believe how well it's taken the rain, even if half of it is too wet to drill
What sort of rear roller do you have on your vibroflex?
 

Rob Holmes

Moderator
BASIS
Hi,
Having a couple of seasons under my belt as the main decision maker with two polar opposite years, I’m looking at what min-till cultivations would be best. We took on this arable farm which was direct drilled with a 750A year after year, heavy clay ground which was tight as hell. We are trying to maintain structure without disturbing too much soil as the farm has a history of black grass. We have got on with heva stealth and it’s made a huge difference to drainage and we drill direct with our Claydon hybrid twin tine. However, I’m finding if left unworked the soil bakes and the Claydon doesn’t create enough tilth to cover the seed nicely. We did short disc a few hectares and once wet it turned into bottomless pudding.
is there an in between silver bullet that can give tilth and maintain structure?
what we are doing is ok and grows a half decent crop but I’m just not happy with it as a whole and the versatility of it when one field is like concrete and next field over is like meringue. Following beans is beautiful but the baked stubble is the issue. Having tried the twin-discs on the Claydon any moisture and they block up.
we are looking to move to a 6m drill, but with a sabretine or Megant this unworked soil is still going to create a lack of tilth.
In summary, how does a sabretine cope in baked out clay?
should we be scratching all the stubbles to alleviate trash and give tilth?
We were in a similar situation a few years ago and tried many different cultivators, most of them created a bottomless bog when it gets wet, apart from one, Cousins Surface, it’s designed to run shallow and doesn’t mobpve the entire surface but enough for mixing and creating a bit of tilth for the Claydon to work better

 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
We were in a similar situation a few years ago and tried many different cultivators, most of them created a bottomless bog when it gets wet, apart from one, Cousins Surface, it’s designed to run shallow and doesn’t mobpve the entire surface but enough for mixing and creating a bit of tilth for the Claydon to work better

I like that!

What sort of rear roller do you have on your vibroflex?
Its a small cage roller that can clog in the wet, but does a better job than I thought it would.

Here it is working in a mucked stubble back in September


On bodied ground we run through with this then follow in due course with the Mzuri drill. Seems to take the rain better than our Simba SL
 
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