good old masterbates
Never mind, that’s the price you’ll have to pay
- Thread starter onthehoof
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- Exeter, Devon
I blame Beatrix Potter and Walt Disney.
Spencer
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- North West
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
Wardies Waffle video where the environment agency don't have the money to maintain our drainage systems, but can find £100 000 to re home badgers!Didn’t need to be a genius to see it coming. Only to see what’s been happening in the bits of the UK that have had them over 10 years now.
Riverbanks devoid of all the alder & willow that used to line them, banks burrowed into & collapsing into river, Expense for roads & network rail having to alleviate flooding issues caused by them but not allowed to disturb beaver sets in doing so creating more complications, work & expense for the country.
Nature Scot now admitting they are out of hand & creating havoc in the areas they are already established in so now providing a catch & rehoming service to landowners where they will catch them for you, then release into new areas of the country & tell the folks there they will do wonders for their area & no harm at all
You couldn’t make up the stupidity of it all.
This country has completely lost the plot
one of the best laugh's you can have, look on you tubeMy old man used to talk about him, thought he was fictional
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- Scottish Borders
Oh aye, here we go, Brexit also caused beavers and crackpot environmentalists...
Devil's advocate
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- Posh side of Barnsley
Sadly, yes that is correct.Oh aye, here we go, Brexit also caused beavers and crackpot environmentalists...
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- Scottish Borders
How do you come by that? It's true to say the opportunities Brexit offered have been for the most part totally wasted due to our politicians being totally incompetent but you can't just blame everything on Brexit...
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
I've no intention of moving anywhere and I would be perfectly happy to see beavers back on our bit of river. In fact I would like as many species as safely possible, of those that we wiped out, to be brought back, I see it as an obviously moral and biologically rational thing to do. However... as I've written before, it needn't be in the manner that the enviro-lefties want.
The re-wilding / greening movement seems to have been hijacked by parts of the intersectional left, to the extent that humans generally, and farmers in particular, especially livestock farmers, are and have been framed as the 'enemy'. They have been extremely careful to advocate policy that will affect very, very few urbanites, and so they - the urbanites - have little or no problem with it. And if you think that only works one way, start a list of the number of farmers who have been 'up in arms' about London's ULEZ...
The obvious route for reintroduction is to do it in areas of entirely publicly owned land - e.g military bases and training areas etc. - and allow expansion to areas of private land with appropriate mitigation and compensation, on terms agreed before the reintroduction. But that's just common sense, so don't hold your breath...
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- Limousin, France
Caddyshack
it's set me off , ive had to have a look on you tube nickerbrookCaddyshack
, shower of sh1t over cheshire, the private chapel one & the grave yard & gelly in the canal yer daft pair uh bu99ersit did make me chukle. what a chachter they dont make em like him anymore!No that was the General Election.
We have had them released in the Cairngorms National Park in the last fortnight after an almighty battle we have managed to to get mitigation terms agreed with the park authorities agreeing to pay for mitigation for the next 5 years. Compensation just isn’t going to happen. Anyone who would want them released obviously hasn’t looked at the damage they cause. From the illegal release in Tayside there are now 2000 beavers causing untold damage to flood banks and prime agricultural land, with farming practices having to change and in some case land is becoming useless for agricultural production. This is what we have to look forward to up here in the Cairngorms. These creatures were eliminated 400 years ago for a reason. The environmental lobby will tell you how much good they do , absolute nonsense they are destructive little water rats spreading disease and destruction wherever they are .
Netherfield
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- West Yorkshire
And Packham hasn't been mentioned once yet.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
I am entirely aware of what they do, but a native animal doing something natural in its natural environment can't be accused of causing 'damage' to that environment. Because it isn't, since they evolved together. It is no more 'damage' than is the hole a woodpecker makes in a tree or a kingfisher or fox in bank. And it is for certain far less damage than what we have done to change the / their natural environment to suit us.
That written, there is no doubt at all that they can cause genuine and quite severe damage to what we have built in their habitat, and so inconvenience us too. And, being a fair-minded fellow, I think that and the essential importance of much of the changes we have made should be recognised and the damage either be prevented by their total exclusion from certain areas, or their removal / extermination within them. But bear in mind that what is now what we would agree as 'prime agricultural land' was once prime beaver land, before they were destroyed by us.
I've made quite a study of the beavers and their extinction in Britain; and haven't come across a single piece of primary source evidence which mentions people 'eliminating' beavers deliberately, meaning as a species rather than individuals. They were eaten as 'fish', and they were hunted for their very desirable pelts and their castoreum, and all this was done so widely for so long that it did lead to their local extinction.
Nothing you have written argues for no beavers, only for their exclusion from areas of conflict with humans. I may be wrong, but you appear to be asserting that the beavers were killed off - you write 'eliminated' - for another reason and your post as a whole infers that you think it was because of riparian damage. Please cite primary references to support this claim.
You clearly feel very strongly, sadly that strong emotion seems to have clouded your judgement and prevented an objective and rational and so fair analysis of the situation. As for your last few lines, they read as from a petulant and particularly ignorant fool, by which I mean that you do neither yourself nor your cause justice.
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- JanDeGrootLand
We have just to look at the Sea Eagle to see the destruction caused by reintroduced species.
They were introduced in small numbers to an Island, now cover many counties and apart from the loss of lambs are putting the Golden Eagle into rapid decline.
Why have introduction of now Alien species been allowed without Liability for those introducing them?
Its a wonder we haven't heard of Lynx or Wolves mysteriously appearing in our countryside.
Paddington
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- Soggy Shropshire
We received a survey in the letterbox from the local wildlife trust (motto: release and forget) about a small colony of beavers being set up near Shrewsbury. I use the term survey loosely as they were going ahead whatever the views of the local populace. The plan was to use "natural boundaries" to contain them, whatever they are. Several Ks of fencing have now been installed (Plan B ?) and you will now be able to visit their habitat, the beavers, not the wildlife lot for a small donation.
Tierra del Fuego ?
Tierra del Fuego ?