The war in Ukraine...

arcobob

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Much as in Gaza the Americans have no interest whatever in ending these slaughters, the rest is just for show.

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You read the headline but probably not the article. Any peace discussion must involve Ukraine and Russia primarily. Others can be brokers but that is all. The US cannot tell Ukrainians what they must accept because it is not either their war or NATO`s war.
Other events around the world , past or present, are not relevent to this discussion as the circumstances are entirely different. :banghead:
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Nah man, you need to stop drinking that MSM kool-aid and realise the new truth(TM)- Elon Musk is the come again messiah who has come to launch humanity out of this dark age into a new era with his ground breaking rockets and cars and immense engineering background.
Elon is to technology what Gary Lineker is to football but both think they are so bl--dy smart that they represent all things to all men
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
I am not fully conversant with how NATO funding works but I am certain that NATO countries buy a large percentage of armaments from US companies such as Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockhead Martin which contributes enormously to US coffers. Of course the US wants other members to pay more and not just to make a larger contribution towards their own defence..
You may also be able to enlighten me how NATO countries split the cost of US bases on their territory. Does the US pay rent on sites? How do the arangements compare with those of US bases in non NATO countries. If you know the answers it could save me hours of research.
Clearly US bases around the world are of strategic importance to the US whether in NATO countries or not. Who puts a price on them ?
American politicians such as Trump are loud mouthed vote catchers and their motives are far from honestly directed toward the national interests.

I said up thread if and when Mr Trump becomes President and if and when he enacts his views of NATO the European countries all need to up spending on military but ensure through collaboration more of this is directed to European manufactured items rather than US. NO succouring of Trumps MAGA policy and no trusting of Trump by buying US weapons which can be witheld or spre parts withdrawn when required. Mr Trump and his followers in the USA are an existential threat to the political and security safety of the European order which has settled into place since 1945 and 1989/91. And Europe needs to react accordingly.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
I am not fully conversant with how NATO funding works but I am certain that NATO countries buy a large percentage of armaments from US companies such as Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockhead Martin which contributes enormously to US coffers. Of course the US wants other members to pay more and not just to make a larger contribution towards their own defence..
You may also be able to enlighten me how NATO countries split the cost of US bases on their territory. Does the US pay rent on sites? How do the arangements compare with those of US bases in non NATO countries. If you know the answers it could save me hours of research.
Clearly US bases around the world are of strategic importance to the US whether in NATO countries or not. Who puts a price on them ?
American politicians such as Trump are loud mouthed vote catchers and their motives are far from honestly directed toward the national interests.
Can't comment on the US bases because there are so many different types of 'deal' done for them, ranging from the US paying all and 'rent', to the host paying for all, and everything in between... so it's on a case by case - or base by base :rolleyes: - basis.

US arms exports are, of course, important to them; but it's very important to the US - and other allies - that countries actually have trained men and currently working kit. We in the UK are falling behind with former, most NATO countries are behind with both.

Obviously some bases are of more strategic value than others, again this has to be assessed individually. There is a committee in the US Congress (House I think) that specifically deals with 'Base Closures', an enormously controversial thing since foreign base closures reduce strategic options and home ones lose local jobs. It is interesting watching their debates.

Trump and friends are as described; but that simply won't detract from the underlying fact that the US has underwritten European defence for the last seventy years...
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Can't comment on the US bases because there are so many different types of 'deal' done for them, ranging from the US paying all and 'rent', to the host paying for all, and everything in between... so it's on a case by case - or base by base :rolleyes: - basis.

US arms exports are, of course, important to them; but it's very important to the US - and other allies - that countries actually have trained men and currently working kit. We in the UK are falling behind with former, most NATO countries are behind with both.

Obviously some bases are of more strategic value than others, again this has to be assessed individually. There is a committee in the US Congress (House I think) that specifically deals with 'Base Closures', an enormously controversial thing since foreign base closures reduce strategic options and home ones lose local jobs. It is interesting watching their debates.

Trump and friends are as described; but that simply won't detract from the underlying fact that the US has underwritten European defence for the last seventy years...
Thank you for that reply. It is in line with many of my suppositions but the fact remains that brainwashing the voting public with low GDP percentage funding protestations is a long way from the full story. We will never know or understand the complete picture.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Thank you for that reply. It is in line with many of my suppositions but the fact remains that brainwashing the voting public with low GDP percentage funding protestations is a long way from the full story. We will never know or understand the complete picture.
Hmm... yet there is no getting away from the fact that most countries have demonstrably not spent enough...
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Hmm... yet there is no getting away from the fact that most countries have demonstrably not spent enough...
I was never a military man but I think most would entirely agree with you and I am sure they are right. The problem is that there are many more things that need extra funding and if not provided will kill us before the next war does.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
I was never a military man but I think most would entirely agree with you and I am sure they are right. The problem is that there are many more things that need extra funding and if not provided will kill us before the next war does.
Yes, life has to go outside of the military and defence, and I'm prepared to hear that from anyone who has no insurance on his property, because at least he won't be a hypocrite - but he will be a bloody fool... (y)
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Throwing billions extra at the nhs has lengthened these lists.
They are a result of demographics,lifestyle choices and government ownership, rather than lack of funding.
I think that is very nearly entirely right; speaking with people inside it, the amount of unnecessary treatments, meaning those that are for the most part down to a person not taking care of themselves or their dependents, is massive. One of my cousins, a GP in Glasgow, reckons that at least half of her chronic patients exist through personal or parental negligence... but that is Glasgow. :angelic:


Writes an idiot who put a grinder cutting disc into his leg, requiring surgery on Christmas morning... :banghead:
 

essex man

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colchester
I think that is very nearly entirely right; speaking with people inside it, the amount of unnecessary treatments, meaning those that are for the most part down to a person not taking care of themselves or their dependents, is massive. One of my cousins, a GP in Glasgow, reckons that at least half of her chronic patients exist through personal or parental negligence... but that is Glasgow. :angelic:


Writes an idiot who put a grinder cutting disc into his leg, requiring surgery on Christmas morning... :banghead:
Mmm.... accidents, grinder related or otherwise are not a significant healthcare burden.
That's quite a thing to do with a grinder,hope you are recovered !
did you have grinding disc on or something a bit sharper for extra hurt?
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Mmm.... accidents, grinder related or otherwise are not a significant healthcare burden.
That's quite a thing to do with a grinder,hope you are recovered !
did you have grinding disc on or something a bit sharper for extra hurt?
Thin metal cutting disc... a few post from the link to my #20,614 there is a rather graphic pic... :(

 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Throwing billions extra at the nhs has lengthened these lists.
They are a result of demographics,lifestyle choices and government ownership, rather than lack of funding.
That is very true but try telling someone who needs specialist treatment for cancer to get the family to administer. The wastage in the NHS is criminal and symptomatic of the nanny state plus the whole culture of disrespect for public money. The demographic issue is not going away for humanitarian reasons. I would be very surprised if you views didn’t change when you reach 80.
 

essex man

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colchester
That is very true but try telling someone who needs specialist treatment for cancer to get the family to administer. The wastage in the NHS is criminal and symptomatic of the nanny state plus the whole culture of disrespect for public money. The demographic issue is not going away for humanitarian reasons. I would be very surprised if you views didn’t change when you reach 80.
What are my "views" and how will they change?
 

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