Who has dreamed up all this rubbish

Mad Farmer

Mad Farmer

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I agree that the website is fairly user friendly.
But the hard part is deciding the options and how to work them into your cropping with out making a mistake. Is it this year’s crop or next year’s crop.?Does it require 2 years cropping but can only claim for one years payment? Am I aloud to spray out blackgrass.? Can I graze it? When can companion cropping be destroyed? Am I better to wait till August to get a proper cropping year? Should I wait until the new options come out? Will it be capped? The list goes on. I find it far more complicated and confusing than CSS.
 
Nearly

Nearly

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YorkshireAndrew said:
I don’t even know how to turn ours on ! 😬
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Your auctioneer or agent?

Find me an agent / RPA high-up who can guarantee that land put into options will not become 'habitat' or have its status changed from mixed use farmland and we'll give it a go.
Until then it's our home and I would rather sign away my pension than devalue the biggest asset in the family in exchange for a handful of silver pieces.
 
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Happy walker

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Jsmith2211 said:
Sir humphrey and his band of merry men. They've been very successful. I can't remember the exact figures, but the number of civil servants looking after agricultural payments has gone from something like 1500 to something like 7000. (Again, cant remember the exact numbers, but I think it was around that). So a massive increase in the civil service payroll and a lot of extra beaurocracy. Just like something straight out of yes minister. Except of course it isn't as funny when it is happening to you...
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You are so wrong in your numbers
 
serf

serf

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warwickshire
Nearly said:
Your auctioneer or agent?

Find me an agent / RPA high-up who can guarantee that land put into options will not become 'habitat' or have its status changed from mixed use farmland and we'll give it a go.
Until then it's our home and I would rather sign away my pension than devalue the biggest asset in the family in exchange for a handful of silver pieces.
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What about land rented on a yearly basis , are you meant to get permission from the LL that your going to tick the Low input grassland otion for example,

Or just wing it and also hope that you can carry on renting for the 3 year term or just wing it.
 
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Happy walker

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DrDunc said:
You mean there are more than 7000 civil servants leaching their index linked existences off farmers?

Until you provide substantiated proof to the contrary, I'm afraid that simply saying someone is wrong doesn't change what's been said
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If you actually check the available annual accounts available on gov.uk you will see that your quoted figure is three times higher than the actual figure employed to deliver all schemes. so please check your facts
 
Hilly

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Kevtherev said:
A large number of my customers do not even own a laptop or know how to use one hence an auctioneer or agent filling said forms out.
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They need to keep up with the times ….. years ago when online banking started i went to watch fox hounds and old guy i know and respect was sitting on his quad top of this hill looking at his phone , i asked him what he was doing ? Checking my bills were paid today ! I said wow thats clever , he said all my life i have embraced new things as i dont want to be old fuddy duddy left behind in life , i came home and registered for online banking and bu god its a good job i did ! I never want to be that ild git thats superseded by technology.
 
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DrDunc

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Happy walker said:
If you actually check the available annual accounts available on gov.uk you will see that your quoted figure is three times higher than the actual figure employed to deliver all schemes. so please check your facts
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They're not my facts

But thank you for taking the time to check the accounts for us feeble minded belligerent farming type folks

Do you reckon us Peasants are getting good value from the thousands of civil servants who make their livings doing bureaucratic things for the 104,000 English farmers?

Based upon your gov.co.uk accounts figures, and by using all my fingers and toes, I've worked out the ratio of farmers to civil servants who are administrating "schemes"....

No idea if its relevant to this thread, but the ratio of farmers to civil servants directly employed to administer whatever schemes they dream up to keep themselves in a job is 39 English farmers per "servant"

One Defra civil servant to administer only 39 farms (assuming your quoted 2663 staff number is correct)

And that's apparently acceptable???




Think it's way beyond time that tax payer funded bureaucracy becomes more efficient

One civil servant administrates less than forty farmers? That's obscene!



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But I suppose if you think 7000 servants is over 3 times more than 2663 servants, then perhaps one servant per thirty nine farmers isn't enough?

Which 39 farms do you administer schemes upon yourself?
 
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egbert

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Boomerang said:
How many people are dreaming all this crap up. What are they being paid , ??
It's ridiculously complicated, unnecessary bulls**t , just finding themselves highly paid jobs whilst trying to f**k us up in the process. Agents will be laughing again. .
Makes my blood boil , this country is completely f**kED.
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In the end.......1.
and he's called Michael Gove.
It all stemmed from his tenure at DEFRA.
Janet Hughes is just an employee doing a job.
(admittedly following a policy she loves, and earnestly believing in a blinkered ignorant urbanista view)

And our paid representatives have simply (or simperingly) stood aside and let it grow into the sh1t show it's become, where a minister has hurriedly asked us NOT to all sign up a few short weeks after the scale tipped.
And you can presume that it wouldn't occur to them why there might be a rush lately.

Look at what's being foisted on Wales, and the belated reaction to it. 20% to be taken out of production at a stroke....

Will they ever be called to account?
 
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DrWazzock

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egbert said:
In the end.......1.
and he's called Michael Gove.
It all stemmed from his tenure at DEFRA.
Janet Hughes is just an employee doing a job.
(admittedly following a policy she loves, and earnestly believing in a blinkered ignorant urbanista view)

And our paid representatives have simply (or simperingly) stood aside and let it grow into the sh1t show it's become, where a minister has hurriedly asked us NOT to all sign up a few short weeks after the scale tipped.
And you can presume that it wouldn't occur to them why there might be a rush lately.

Look at what's being foisted on Wales, and the belated reaction to it. 20% to be taken out of production at a stroke....

Will they ever be called to account?
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I remember his tenure there. I remember him banning neonic seed dressings that cleverly targetted insecticide at the pest eating the plant rather than us having to resort to blanket spraying that killed every insect in the general locality. I remember him saying that despite experts saying there was no evidence of harm to bees from the seed dressings, we didn’t need to listen to experts. It was at that moment we departed from science and moved a step closer to reliance on witchcraft or the kind of urban designed agricultural policy that would emanate from the organic gardening section of the Guardian weekend edition.
And here we are now. My crop of oilseed rape has just been written off due to cabbage stem weevil. But that doesn’t matter to Mr Gove. We will import OSR from places like Ukraine and Poland who still use neonic seed dressings and it’s also pertinent to know that Ukraine has one of the biggest honey bee populations and most honey production per hectare of any country in the world.
This is what you get with pig headed populist politicians like Mr Gove in charge. They don’t listen to the science, they don’t lead for the benefit of the country or its industries, they are craven populists who will say and do anything if it looks good on countryfile and there are a few votes in it.
Will they be held accountable? No never. They’ll get a knighthood and move on to destroy another essential industry.
And nobody, least of all in the Conservative Party, that used to be the natural home of the rural vote, can see this. They now act on nothing but ill informed urban opinion on all production matters. And they wonder why most of us have lost faith in them. They don’t listen. They aren’t worthy of the offices they hold.
 
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DrWazzock

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Risks of neonicotinoid insecticides to honeybees

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It’s a long read but the conclusion was that field use of neonic seed dressings was not a significant risk to bees, but we banned them anyway and destroyed our own OSR production industry for no good reason at all while we import from countries still using neonic seed dressings. This is the kind of thing of you get with modern Conservatives who place more importance on the views of Guardian reading urbanites than on backing home produced food and U.K. farming.
 

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