Who has dreamed up all this rubbish

NLF

Member
The test is what you think of the scheme in 5-10 years when the funds have run out but the habitat created has to continue.
If I had 1000 acres I'd be going all in but wouldn't be creating a lot of permanent areas of anything non-crop.
I can see all my little patch of the country from the office window and I want to remain fully in control of the view.

@ajcc
Agreed, but that is the beauty of this scheme. It's a three year commitment and even then you have substantial flexibility to change things each year. We haven't created anything new that will be permanent.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Agreed, but that is the beauty of this scheme. It's a three year commitment and even then you have substantial flexibility to change things each year. We haven't created anything new that will be permanent.
So you might ask what the hell is the point other than to divert public money to those that need it the least, isn't that the Tory way these days.
 

NLF

Member
Oh I think we've all got SFI & it's intentions figured out.
If the scheme doesn't suit you then don't apply.

I accept that the options look better for arable farmers than livestock farmers. I can also see that it's not good news for those who rent or contract land on short term agreements and have to compete against the gross margins offered by AHL2 or NUM3.
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
If the scheme doesn't suit you then don't apply.

I accept that the options look better for arable farmers than livestock farmers. I can also see that it's not good news for those who rent or contract land on short term agreements and have to compete against the gross margins offered by AHL2 or NUM3.
So is it a case of “I’m alright Jack”?
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
If the scheme doesn't suit you then don't apply.

I accept that the options look better for arable farmers than livestock farmers. I can also see that it's not good news for those who rent or contract land on short term agreements and have to compete against the gross margins offered by AHL2 or NUM3.
The options are primary designed for owners who do not need to make a living from farming but own large estates, the limited pot of money is being redistributed from the smaller hard working farmers to those least deserving with little long term benefit to the taxpayers, you could say the Tories are robbing the poor to feather the nest of those well off, guess nothing changes.
 

NLF

Member
The options are primary designed for owners who do not need to make a living from farming but own large estates, the limited pot of money is being redistributed from the smaller hard working farmers to those least deserving with little long term benefit to the taxpayers, you could say the Tories are robbing the poor to feather the nest of those well off, guess nothing changes.
Hmm.... I'm not sure that my neighbours who farm for a living would agree with your conclusions, but we are all entitled to our opinions.

Now, I had better return to my day job to ensure that I can pay the taxes which fund these schemes. In one pocket... out of the other...
 

DrDunc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
Hmm.... I'm not sure that my neighbours who farm for a living would agree with your conclusions, but we are all entitled to our opinions.

Now, I had better return to my day job to ensure that I can pay the taxes which fund these schemes. In one pocket... out of the other...
Must be nice having a day job that pays enough to own a farm

Must be nice owning a farm that earns you so much SFI money

Must be thankful I'm North of Hadriens wall

For I'm a Scottish hill tenant livestock farmer and my life makes food

And food will be needed when all the good Southern farmland has become parkland for the public
 

Sam Partridge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
South Devon
I’m waiting to hear that Janet will receive a ‘Gong’ for her achievement in fecking up English farming and want to know if she will hand it back when the public realise they pay taxes to feed birds and suffer higher food prices at the same time?
I think this simple message spread around enough, especially on social media would kick up a right storm.
 

mixedfmr

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
yorkshire
If the scheme doesn't suit you then don't apply.

I accept that the options look better for arable farmers than livestock farmers. I can also see that it's not good news for those who rent or contract land on short term agreements and have to compete against the gross margins offered by AHL2 or NUM3.
Just question you on the livestock/arable situation. Ive got both with temporary grass on the livestock side,and SFI works far better there than my arable
Neighbour all arable, and cant see anything till backend to replace rape, As you say mostly rented (long/short)
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Your auctioneer or agent?

Find me an agent / RPA high-up who can guarantee that land put into options will not become 'habitat' or have its status changed from mixed use farmland and we'll give it a go.
Until then it's our home and I would rather sign away my pension than devalue the biggest asset in the family in exchange for a handful of silver pieces.
Pick your options and rotate.. low input grass concerns me for risk of becoming “habitat” but I’ve no such concerns for rotated nectar pollen or birdseed
 

NLF

Member
Just question you on the livestock/arable situation. Ive got both with temporary grass on the livestock side,and SFI works far better there than my arable
Neighbour all arable, and cant see anything till backend to replace rape, As you say mostly rented (long/short)
I found the opposite. I have a bit of permanent pasture (no temporary grass though). I struggled to come up with suitable options for the grass. Low inputs doesn't pay a great deal and reduces productivity. Some grass options seem to pay less for the same thing e.g. (from memory) grassland field corners = 333 per hect, arable field corners = 590. Surely it has the same benefit to wildlife so why doesn't it pay the same?

I thought that the best thing about SFI was that it allowed us to take rape out of the rotation. On paper rape has a better gross margin, but we seem to suffer a crop failure (flea beetle, pigeons, hail storm etc) every other year. Allowing for the crop failures legume fallow NUM3 or even wild bird seed AHL2 must pay better and will make life less stressful.
 

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