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What’s up, do you recognise some of your posts on there Mr newby member that’s strangely turned up since the unrest started getting stirred up?
no farmers no food
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What’s up, do you recognise some of your posts on there Mr newby member that’s strangely turned up since the unrest started getting stirred up?
So you don’t comment on my words, just have an lazy pop at me. Really?What’s up, do you recognise some of your posts on there Mr newby member that’s strangely turned up since the unrest started getting stirred up?
Why not start calling me a racist / far right / wife beater / or whatever the next fashionable minority slur, that is used to shut down honest debate.
Maybe, just maybe, I’m very concerned that there will not be a British farming industry left for my children but I have a real life, so don‘t live my life on social media being a keyboard warrior.
I have been reading TFF for many many years, but I felt I should speak up before our industry is destroyed, hence why I recently joined TFF to speak through sheer frustration.
If you feel you can challenge my opinion in honest bebate, please say something worthy of comment.
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- South lakes
I saw this on most local FB groups, what are they going to do, Achieve etc, what is the protest about? Tractors and a motorways not a good combination!
michael N123
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I couldn’t work out what there wanting to achieve apart from getting there tractors seized
blocking the m6 on a Sunday on mothers day is just going to pee the public off
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- East Sussex
TikTok - Make Your Day
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The problem is that you are completely failing to understand the situation.
This is NOT about whether or not people support the farming industry. It is about whether people are seeing this fake campaign for what it is.
And have no doubt, NFNF will certainly damage the farming industry.
betternextyear
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This made me smile.Puts Brexit into context. https://www.facebook.com/reel/90873...muSsvWaHouJwlM5s9lTabPy-15FO7u_NhA&__tn__=H-R
SilliamWhale
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I see it totally differently.
Support farms to help feed the population. Take responsibility for the pollution aspects of food production don't shift responsibility elsewhere.
Be realistic about net zero and be consistent about all fossil fuel use(it is not going to happen anyway)
If we are going to use oil (and we
will continue to) then assist your countries balance of payments by using some that you own
Immigration should be controlled and legal. Do not allow economic migrants to break the law, it annoys people of all races and prevents legal immigration being processed.
Ultimate accountability is to our elected officials.
The optics of NFNF are fine, the majority are with it.
SilliamWhale
Member
It's not a fake campaign. The farmers really mean it. It just doesn't fit in with the way you want to see things.
If I remember correctly you were a covid fanatic wanting rather heavy handed stateist solutions to a virus.
I love the way you think that all the farmers over Europe are wrong for getting out and making a point about their futures as they see it, yet you alone are somehow are correct?
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Yes. The farmers involved do.
The person who created it however does not. He is using this to push conspiracy theories. And yes, I am an expert on covid, and have countered antivax conspiracy theories for some years. This is exactly the same fight.
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- West Suffolk
I don’t understand what this guy is set to gain from it? Or any of these conspiracy theory believers? Surely the same old stories go on year after year but nothing happens? Well apart from governments seem to get ever more inept. I have a guy come to the farm who was saying the great reset was going to happen in the next few months. This was a couple of years ago!
SilliamWhale
Member
What conspiracies, exactly? Tell me the exact conspiracy and your position and we can unpick them one by one.
I think all the farmers involved are quite happy to protest and stand up for their own point of view about their industry, you are the only one obsessed about James bloody Melville
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Here is what the same people were doing in the same way with the Dutch protests:
How the Dutch farmers' protests became hijacked by conspiracy theorists — Dare to be Grey
Over the past few weeks, the Netherlands has been facing protests by farmers. The farmers are taking to the streets due to government restrictions on livestock numbers and fertiliser use in order to cut nitrogen emissions. These protests have also been making headway into the online world. Within da
www.daretobegrey.com
There are quite a few. The main ones are NetZero (that climate change iis a scam and that NetZero is all made up to control the population). and the whole WEF/NWO (that some shady organisation wants to control us all). Plus of course "15 min cities" which are apparently an attempt to control us all, and then the whole antivax shebang, which often boils down to "big pharma wants to control us all"
See a pattern emerging yet?
SilliamWhale
Member
Ok its a wet day.
Net Zero - its not going to actually happen, we are not within a country mile of having the right infrastructure for it. We don't have the copper, we don't have the electricity. On a totally practical level it is not going to happen. The general population knows this, deep down you probably know it and if you don't you should. So rather than being dishonest about the trajectory there needs to a be little bit more honesty - shifting fossil fuel emissions onto either sequestration or into countries which aren't bothered about net zero simpy perpetuates the fig leaf. It is resoundingly immature, a total pretence.
Climate Change - the climate is changing. The climate has always changed. Is it getting "worse"? Hard for say, by a lot of metrics things are still getting better for the majority of the world but year or year we still use more oil and coal than the previous year so that trajectory is not going to just disappear. I think humans are also v good at adapting and co-operating, the idea of runaway climate heating or global boiling appears not to be that strong, certainly the IPCC never state this.
WEF - its a curious one. Certainly they are an influential body, certainly not democratic. I don't really know enough about them. There is an elitist feel
15 minute cities - They are a thing. They are incorporated into a lot of town and city plans. I have no idea if they are a threat or a benefit.
Anti-VAx - Do you mean all vax or covid vax? A lot of people didn't like the covid vax because it accompanied a level of control, restriction and conformity not seen in this country ever before eg passports for vaccinations, restrictions on entry, multiple shots, debates about nature of real immunity. Also with a huge marketing campaign accompanied with statements that we now know are false. I think post covid enquiry where we now know a lot of decisions were not made based on evidence there is a good deal of cynicism for the right reason.
Now we've cleared up some of your conspiracy worries floating around in your head, I think you'd be as well to fully understand why farmers are protesting
You see, that is my point.
NetZero most certainly is achievable, and Farming will be a critical element of that
Human-induced climate change has the potential to destroy civilisation, and needs to be taken seriously
Many people claim (wrongly) that WEF are just out to control us all
15 minute cities means having shops and facilities close to everyone.
Your whole post on the covid vaccine is essentially the conspiracy theory. None of it is right, but it is what is claimed (with no evidence)
And this is exactly my point, these theories are what melville spreads.
And you STILL don't seem to understand that the campaign is NOT about supporting farmers. That is not why it is set up.
I spend a considerable amount of my time working through official channels to protect, improve and promote agriculture. I understand the problems very well indeed.
NetZero most certainly is achievable, and Farming will be a critical element of that
Human-induced climate change has the potential to destroy civilisation, and needs to be taken seriously
Many people claim (wrongly) that WEF are just out to control us all
15 minute cities means having shops and facilities close to everyone.
Your whole post on the covid vaccine is essentially the conspiracy theory. None of it is right, but it is what is claimed (with no evidence)
And this is exactly my point, these theories are what melville spreads.
And you STILL don't seem to understand that the campaign is NOT about supporting farmers. That is not why it is set up.
I spend a considerable amount of my time working through official channels to protect, improve and promote agriculture. I understand the problems very well indeed.
oh dear ,
SilliamWhale
Member
Net Zero 2050 is not achieveable. It only works by othering other people's emissions. As I say we used more oil, gas and coal last year than any other. Get real. You are playing a role but behind you there is a reality. We may get there in 2150 but net zero is a madey uppy thing.
Climate change may have the potential to destroy "civiliasation" but eually it may even improve things. Humans will adapt regardless. Our civilisation is essentially fossil fuel based anyway.
Its not a conspiracy to say to be able to access things and travel to places you had to have a vaccine. That was true.
What official channels do you work through?
NFNF is about supporting farmers, they are the people using it as a banner to protest. Its that simple. I don't deny there are some people with different political views in the campaign, so bloody what? Its not a crime to have different views. I don't follow James Melville by the way. When you see people who are clearly farmers protesting are you still trying to claim on their behalf they don't understand what they are protesting about?
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Net Zero, if or if it is not achieved will do very little to solve the existential threat that humanity faces.
The clue is in the term "net" - it is just a mechanism by which the big users of fossil fuels can offset their emissions elsewhere.
You will be well aware that the IPCC still uses GWP100 which leads to frankly ridiculous suggestions like removing ruminants because of enteric methane. GWP* is not, nor has it ever been a conspiracy theory.
The only way to mitigate man made climate change is to stop extracting carbon sequestered millions of years ago and setting fire to it, adding to the carbon already in the atmosphere.
Look at the explosion in fossil fuel usage - my dad is only 76, yet he can remember the first personal motor car on his street, now most people have one. Air travel used to be the preserve of the (wealthy) minority, and now thousands of planes criss-cross the planet every day, all powered by fossil fuels.
Basically, unless we are reducing/stopping using fossil fuels (and sadly, fossil fuel based fertilisers), it means diddly squat
Oh my word.
You are clearly the target audience for melville et all.
You seem to want to believe every story you are told without any evidence.
And you STILL don't understand how astroturf campaigns work.
You are clearly the target audience for melville et all.
You seem to want to believe every story you are told without any evidence.
And you STILL don't understand how astroturf campaigns work.