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SwaledaleM

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Livestock Farmer
Net Zero, if or if it is not achieved will do very little to solve the existential threat that humanity faces.

The clue is in the term "net" - it is just a mechanism by which the big users of fossil fuels can offset their emissions elsewhere.
You will be well aware that the IPCC still uses GWP100 which leads to frankly ridiculous suggestions like removing ruminants because of enteric methane. GWP* is not, nor has it ever been a conspiracy theory.

The only way to mitigate man made climate change is to stop extracting carbon sequestered millions of years ago and setting fire to it, adding to the carbon already in the atmosphere.
Look at the explosion in fossil fuel usage - my dad is only 76, yet he can remember the first personal motor car on his street, now most people have one. Air travel used to be the preserve of the (wealthy) minority, and now thousands of planes criss-cross the planet every day, all powered by fossil fuels.
Basically, unless we are reducing/stopping using fossil fuels (and sadly, fossil fuel based fertilisers), it means diddly squat

Absolutely. I have done a significant amount of research on forecast methodologies, especially regarding methane.
I am also aware that fossil fuels are THE major determinant.
 
Oh my word.
You are clearly the target audience for melville et all.

You seem to want to believe every story you are told without any evidence.

And you STILL don't understand how astroturf campaigns work.

The ironic thing is the biggest conspiracist is actually you!

Net zero ffs, its nonsense
 

SwaledaleM

Member
Livestock Farmer
The ironic thing is the biggest conspiracist is actually you!

Net zero ffs, its nonsense

So how many research papers have you read on it? How much actual research? And I don't mean on rumble or youtube. I mean actual scientific research on both climate change and strategies to mitigate it?
 
So how many research papers have you read on it? How much actual research? And I don't mean on rumble or youtube. I mean actual scientific research on both climate change and strategies to mitigate it?

Where are you research papers? I'll happy cast an eye over them

Never been on rumble and don't really use youtube.

As I say how much oil, gas and coal did we use last year and you think in 2050 everything will be net zero. Your trolling us
 

soapsud

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
Absolutely. I have done a significant amount of research on forecast methodologies, especially regarding methane.
I am also aware that fossil fuels are THE major determinant.
@SilliamWhale says we don't have the copper to go full electric. I've heard that said too. There's a copper mine in Mongolia. Biggest of the most bigly! It won't even supply enough for China's ambitions.

 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
There are a LOT of non farming people on the Facebook protest groups that have changed their profile pictures to the no farming no food logo. They are the same types saying about the WEF and end of cash payments, antivax whatever.
I don't want anything to do with them bit it's hard to get away from it because there is so many of them.
It doesn't take away from us having real issues here in Wales with our labour government giving us a shitty stick and making our life much more difficult than it needs to be with nvz and tb. We need to do something about that.
Yeah. To be fair though, the moment someone changes an avatar or profile picture to a banner or "I support the next big thing" they lose 99% of their credibility in a heartbeat.
They probably think it's a smart way to advertise their beliefs.

It isn't
 

Vader

Member
Mixed Farmer
Oh my word.
You are clearly the target audience for melville et all.

You seem to want to believe every story you are told without any evidence.

And you STILL don't understand how astroturf campaigns work.
I think you don't understand that there is a lot of pi$$Ed off normal people out there who sick of the control, lies and hypocrisy. Getting lot of social media posts asking for farm shops and great support for farmers.

Intresting that people like moonbat are now starting to attack the protesters.

(By the way Tony Blair is involved in wef, so tells you all you need to know....)
 

SwaledaleM

Member
Livestock Farmer
I think you don't understand that there is a lot of pi$$Ed off normal people out there who sick of the control, lies and hypocrisy. Getting lot of social media posts asking for farm shops and great support for farmers.

Intresting that people like moonbat are now starting to attack the protesters.

(By the way Tony Blair is involved in wef, so tells you all you need to know....)

I understand very well that people are upset wth government approaches to farming and food chains. And that is exactly why this campaign was launched, to use that legitimate grievance to push the conspiracy nonsense. There would be no point launching a campaign that didn't immediately grab people.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
So let me get this right, ‘Ripple Research’,which I assume by the sharp graphics etc are a professional research business, have been paid to actually monitor and present what some ‘nut jobs’ are talking about? May I ask where this research can be found?
Call me cynical, but that makes me rather curious about who picked up the bill for this ‘research’.
Easily found. They might make you feel uncomfortable, but there are valid organisations who monitor routes of hatred, whether online or in the analog world. Just be careful your discomfort doesn't lead to condoning terrorism 🙂
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
It's not a fake campaign. The farmers really mean it. It just doesn't fit in with the way you want to see things.

If I remember correctly you were a covid fanatic wanting rather heavy handed stateist solutions to a virus.

I love the way you think that all the farmers over Europe are wrong for getting out and making a point about their futures as they see it, yet you alone are somehow are correct?
It's a fake campaign to an all too well studied playbook. The difference is it targets farmers and agriculture this time. Good farmers are getting gaslit into nonsense. I see GWJ has stepped away to some extent. It's terrible that he didn't twig at the start, but he's a nice chap and probably not been following the news in depth.
 

Vader

Member
Mixed Farmer
It's a fake campaign to an all too well studied playbook. The difference is it targets farmers and agriculture this time. Good farmers are getting gaslit into nonsense. I see GWJ has stepped away to some extent. It's terrible that he didn't twig at the start, but he's a nice chap and probably not been following the news in depth.
GWJ stepped away after death threats...

If farmers were happy, then they would not be protesting.
Are you saying farmers should just keep bending over and taking all the bollox..?
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Where are you research papers? I'll happy cast an eye over them

Never been on rumble and don't really use youtube.

As I say how much oil, gas and coal did we use last year and you think in 2050 everything will be net zero. Your trolling us
Unfortunately, this is what conspiracy theories do. It's a process. Get intelligent people to doubt something that's scientific fact (mRNA vaccines have saved millions of lives, and the health of millions more), get people to doubt other science around them, get to scam money off them, get to undermine whole economies and democracies.

Do you really need convincing that water in liquid form is wet? Of course you don't.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
GWJ stepped away after death threats...

If farmers were happy, then they would not be protesting.
Are you saying farmers should just keep bending over and taking all the bollox..?
That's what I watched him say. He didn't say if they were to do with Welsh politics, or something involving the fake campaign. It shouldn't come to this, but in a short time, he's a target for scum.

Farmers are not happy. Nobody disputes that. Manipulation of that unhappiness into a fake campaign in order to cash in on it is absolutely unacceptable. That's why people need to sideline James Melville, and the hateful filth who he enables to piggyback on his grift.

Support Farmers, but don't support astroturfing ~

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