And that graph has no data? Confounding is the issue though Ollie, isn’t it? Is associated with is full of confounding. How does carnivore work then? (I added to the post btw after you’d seen it)
Too fat to farm?
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ollie989898
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Carnivore diet? It's gonna be hard on your kidneys and it's gonna be hard on your GI tract, not to mention the risk of gout.
I don't think any extreme fad diet is generally recommended. Restricting calorie intake periodically (intermittent fasting) seems to be useful for people who are pre-diabetic but I haven't read much about it in years.
Another issue is school dinners, when I was at secondary school the lunchbreak was 1hr 15 minutes, time to serve the entire school a 2 course balanced meal. In their wisdom the school cut the lunch break to 40 minutes in order to bring the end of day forward by 35 minutes. Now the canteen serves snack food as its all they have time for.
SNAP !
As usual you’ve completely attempted to dodge the point. If red meat consumption is associated with T2D then how tf does going full-on red meat eater cure T2D? Other than the obvious point that eating red meat doesn’t cause T2D in the first place?
The answer to all this is of course satiety. Eating real foods provides satiety. Eating fat and protein provides satiety in a way that eating sugar, carbs and processed carbs doesn’t. Eating processed and ultra-processed foods doesn’t satiate the same at all, so we end up eating more of them because they fekk up our normal digestive and sensory perceptions. This is surely beyond argument at this point in time? The evidence is everywhere.
Try drinking a glass of orange juice for exmple, easily done. Now try eating 8 oranges in a sitting, not so easy. This isn’t even about sugar, carbs, fat, etc. It’s the processing that’s the problem. These foods are already partially digested/smashed to pieces so there’s very little for our guts to do than quickly absorb those fragments.
Oh, and exercise? Well, the first thing exercise does is make your body desire more food. Tim Spector will tell you that the average person getting a fitbit will be heavier 12 months later.
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Although swapping fat for muscle would increase weight...
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I had this, nurse at drs did an mot on me, I am 6’ and 131/2 stone
She told me I was obese because I had a 32” waist
Hilly
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My dad did that , said it was the best thing he ever did , taught him self discipline and set him up for life.
How else are you supposed to keep up with TFF!? Priorities man
ollie989898
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You perhaps did not read my post.
I did not state that eating meat (or anything else) causes diabetes. I merely highlighted the fact that whatever you eat, you will experience an insulin release and a consequent rise in blood sugar- because the body can manufacture glucose from whatever foodstuff you choose to ingest. The article I cited highlighted this fact very readily. There is no avoiding the fact that what you eat is digested and ends up -eventually- in the blood because that is how nutrients are distributed to cells.
I've outlined the fact that body tissues require glucose and that some of them have very little capacity to make do without it. They are also programmed to store this as glycogen as their primary energy store which is essential for musculoskeletal activity. Longer term, the body then builds up energy reserves as triglycerides in fatty tissues which are even more energy dense.
This can all occur whether you ate nothing but steak or pasta or haribo or root vegetables for 6 months.
Satiety is an entirely different topic unfortunately and I don't follow Tim Spector or anyone else so their beliefs, opinions or recommendations are unknown to me. I merely highlight the realities of human physiology. Of course people who exercise may experience an increase in body mass- muscle cells increase in size in response to exercise and the bones also remodel to become stronger in response to increased physical loads- this has little to do with what you eat.
Makes me smile at our doctors, walls plastered with health warnings etc, doctors and nurses telling everyone to live healthy and yet the main woman on the desk is about as fat as its possible to be! Standards have slipped too, police had to have a standard of fitness years ago but alot are too fat to foot chase anybody.
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sh!t what would she think of me 38 inch waist. When i was my fittest i was still 15 stone and 34 inch. And i was feckin fit
Farmerpickle
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Too many fast food chains moving into towns and cities and too many ready meals being sold in supermarkets.
It's all very well having English and Maths as compulsory subjects, but shouldn't cooking healthily also be on the syllabus? Cooking and eating is what keeps you alive, a majority of obese people have no idea how to cook or even make a cup of tea or coffee as it has become too easy to buy one at Costa or McDonalds.
Gregg Wallace was on the radio a month or two ago and he couldn't understand why foreign countries didn't have as many obese people as the UK does. For example Italy eats a lot of pasta. France consumes large quantities of bread. Spain consumes vast amounts of Paella. However Italy, France and Spain don't have the number of obese people the UK does. He looked into why and he noticed they stop whatever they are doing and sit down and have a proper meal once a day. Whereas, the UK is constantly snacking and consuming processed and fast foods throughout the day and very few are actually having a proper meal. Therefore people in the UK are not being filled up properly and eating more and more snacks resulting in weight gain.
It's all very well having English and Maths as compulsory subjects, but shouldn't cooking healthily also be on the syllabus? Cooking and eating is what keeps you alive, a majority of obese people have no idea how to cook or even make a cup of tea or coffee as it has become too easy to buy one at Costa or McDonalds.
Gregg Wallace was on the radio a month or two ago and he couldn't understand why foreign countries didn't have as many obese people as the UK does. For example Italy eats a lot of pasta. France consumes large quantities of bread. Spain consumes vast amounts of Paella. However Italy, France and Spain don't have the number of obese people the UK does. He looked into why and he noticed they stop whatever they are doing and sit down and have a proper meal once a day. Whereas, the UK is constantly snacking and consuming processed and fast foods throughout the day and very few are actually having a proper meal. Therefore people in the UK are not being filled up properly and eating more and more snacks resulting in weight gain.
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Honestly, at the time I was still running the engineering business, I mountain biked from home to my workshop in Oldham ( followed the canal)
She was about 5’2 and shall we say plump.
I seen the dr after she had finished and told him the nurse wants to look in a mirror, I later found out it was his wife
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On bmi i cant wait till they measure my sons best mate. 6 ft2 built like a brick shithouse, not a stich of fat on him size 14 yes 14 shoes. Hes 13. Lovely kid makes my young un look like a dwarf.
kfpben
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I find it interesting that inner cities are actually some of the leaner places In the UK, probably because you have to walk about there more rather than drive. They also have a more youthful population.
It’s certainly related to the prevalence of junk food. However a huge amount of the gain in weight of the population must be because we have engineered activity out of so many parts of life. Internet shopping rather than pounding the high street, kids school run rather than cycling, lifts, escalators, doors that open automatically, power steering, etc etc. The list is almost never ending.
Do we need to make life more difficult in order to burn calories in daily life? A hard sell, but possibly necessary.
It’s certainly related to the prevalence of junk food. However a huge amount of the gain in weight of the population must be because we have engineered activity out of so many parts of life. Internet shopping rather than pounding the high street, kids school run rather than cycling, lifts, escalators, doors that open automatically, power steering, etc etc. The list is almost never ending.
Do we need to make life more difficult in order to burn calories in daily life? A hard sell, but possibly necessary.
Northeastfarmer
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Also testosterone levels in men is steadily declining over the decades as men get fatter and less active
Nearly
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Wasn't that a single by the Dead Kennedys?
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I think the Eskimos managed pretty well on it, before they became educated and started to eat a western diet.
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interesting article in the Telegraph , listing some of the (very few) loaves of bread that aren't ultra processed