Soonaxed.

czechmate · Mar 21, 2024

essex man said:
They didn't!
We voted out.
They campaigned to remain, why is this so hard for you to understand?

Because of the simple fact that the vote was advisory, the tories chose to act upon it.
you should vote for them for life out of pure gratitude

and I am sure that is just what will happen, assuming you are correct and the walking away is as popular as you maintain

essex man · Mar 21, 2024

czechmate said:
Because of the simple fact that the vote was advisory, the tories chose to act upon it.
you should vote for them for life out of pure gratitude

and I am sure that is just what will happen, assuming you are correct and the walking away is as popular as you maintain

"The vote was advisory"
You are funny
Remainer fiction.

yin ewe · Mar 21, 2024

czechmate said:
Because of the simple fact that the vote was advisory, the tories chose to act upon it.
you should vote for them for life out of pure gratitude

and I am sure that is just what will happen, assuming you are correct and the walking away is as popular as you maintain

It may have been legally advisory but at no point did either remain or leave lead the people to believe they wouldn't carry out their wishes. The problem was leave won and neither side had a clue what to do as that was the wrong answer.

czechmate · Mar 21, 2024

essex man said:
"The vote was advisory"
You are funny
Remainer fiction.

Tbh, you are now coming over as just being scared that quitting is now… not popular - especially with your obsession for « popular «

essex man · Mar 21, 2024

czechmate said:
Tbh, you are now coming over as just being scared that quitting is now… not popular - especially with your obsession for « popular «

If rejoining was popular , at least one party would advocate.
Do you not think popularity is important in a democracy?

caveman · Mar 21, 2024

essex man said:
But they were against leaving.
So maybe people remember that!

Oh dear.
You're missing all the fun!

Charlie Gill · Mar 21, 2024

teslacoils said:
We also do a roaring trade in being the place for dubious world "businessmen" to sue each other.

Would that be the same businessmen that need 500mil to export 300 people to Rwanda?

czechmate · Mar 21, 2024

essex man said:
If rejoining was popular , at least one party would advocate.
Do you not think popularity is important in a democracy?

not especially… do you think Macrons pension reforms were popular ; or necessary ?

AT Aloss · Mar 21, 2024

DrWazzock said:
The Conservative Party is a completely busted flush as far as I’m concerned. I’m a natural Conservative but they the Conservatives are no longer reliable friends. On every single important matter they say one thing but do something else.
On everything from immigration, to gender recognition, to taxation, to public services, to corporate greed and monopolisation, consumer protection etc etc they say what they think their grass roots want to hear then carry on with a woke socialist champagne ecologist agenda that Labour would be proud of. It’s so blatant now that it’s a joke.
Immigration : not a hope of getting it under control.
Taxation and public spending : out of control.
Affordability of homes and rents : out of control.
Energy policy : a complete mess.
Foreign policy : talking like we’ve still an empire when I doubt we could even defend our own country if it came to it.
Net zero : offshoring all primary production including food production to cook the books.

I’m not sure exactly why it is, but Mr Sunak and his coterie seem entirely incapable of taking any real action to address any of the above, to defend ordinary taxpayers and consumers, ordinary poll tax payers and workers.
At a local level they are trumpeting legislation that’s coming to allow me to divert a footpath round instead of through the middle of my farmyard. But it’ll cost me £3125 to pay for the council admin and then I have to pay for any gates etc on top. And still, which was always the risk, if somebody objects, despite the obvious benefits to public safety, I lose my entire £3125 for nothing. So tell me what’s changed here? Tell me what the Conservatives have done for us? I’ll tell you. They’ve done nothing. Nothing at all for ordinary private property owners, taxpayers, workers. Everything is still in favour of the objector with no skin in the game, the agitator, the troublemaker, the entitled , the criminal and the delinquent.
Rant over.

These aren't Conservatives - they're swindlers in cahoots with the Banks, the FOS, the BoE & the BBRS. They're offshoring Briton's assets.

essex man · Mar 21, 2024

czechmate said:
not especially… do you think Macrons pension reforms were popular ; or necessary ?

I don't know enough or care enough to find out the details.
If you do unpopular things you will not be in power for long.
If people think they are necessary then they are popular.
The two things are not mutually exclusive, so your your question is a false choice

FonterraFarmer · Mar 21, 2024

merino said:
So, do we start baselessly speculating now, or do we wait until he's forced to resign?

I'm going to open with one idea, they could squeeze an infinitely large number of prime ministers in before the election, just for increasingly short periods of time. Zenos paradox and all that.

I know that sounds dumb, but I've already heard of David Cameron making a come back, and I feel that's an even stupider idea.

To be perfectly honest even a sheep seems to be of higher intellect than the current PM and previous 7 PM's!!!

tractorsandcows · Mar 21, 2024

DrWazzock said:
The Conservative Party is a completely busted flush as far as I’m concerned. I’m a natural Conservative but they the Conservatives are no longer reliable friends. On every single important matter they say one thing but do something else.
On everything from immigration, to gender recognition, to taxation, to public services, to corporate greed and monopolisation, consumer protection etc etc they say what they think their grass roots want to hear then carry on with a woke socialist champagne ecologist agenda that Labour would be proud of. It’s so blatant now that it’s a joke.
Immigration : not a hope of getting it under control.
Taxation and public spending : out of control.
Affordability of homes and rents : out of control.
Energy policy : a complete mess.
Foreign policy : talking like we’ve still an empire when I doubt we could even defend our own country if it came to it.
Net zero : offshoring all primary production including food production to cook the books.

I’m not sure exactly why it is, but Mr Sunak and his coterie seem entirely incapable of taking any real action to address any of the above, to defend ordinary taxpayers and consumers, ordinary poll tax payers and workers.
At a local level they are trumpeting legislation that’s coming to allow me to divert a footpath round instead of through the middle of my farmyard. But it’ll cost me £3125 to pay for the council admin and then I have to pay for any gates etc on top. And still, which was always the risk, if somebody objects, despite the obvious benefits to public safety, I lose my entire £3125 for nothing. So tell me what’s changed here? Tell me what the Conservatives have done for us? I’ll tell you. They’ve done nothing. Nothing at all for ordinary private property owners, taxpayers, workers. Everything is still in favour of the objector with no skin in the game, the agitator, the troublemaker, the entitled , the criminal and the delinquent.
Rant over.

Don't forget billionaires and big corporations They do a lot for them And for their donors You are just in the wrong category Doc Get into one of the ones I've mentioned and you will see how helpful the Cons are

DrWazzock · Mar 21, 2024

AT Aloss said:
These aren't Conservatives - they're swindlers in cahoots with the Banks, the FOS, the BoE & the BBRS. They're offshoring Briton's assets.

tractorsandcows said:
Don't forget billionaires and big corporations They do a lot for them And for their donors You are just in the wrong category Doc Get into one of the ones I've mentioned and you will see how helpful the Cons are

Indeed. The £10 million donation from the bloke who is big in AI and is developing an AI model to diagnose patients and has won more than £400 million of NHS and prison contracts in the last 8 years tells me everything I need to know about the top of the Conservative Party.
It would help if somebody would actually answer the phone at our GP surgery and if they had basic competence. The last thing we or the elderly, confused or seriously ill need is a chat with an AI bot online. Yet I can see it coming at us at high speed in Rishi and his pals brave new high tech world. Billions will be spent. But will things get any better? I’ll believe it when I see it but I have serious doubts.

red · Mar 21, 2024

Charlie Gill said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770534143601873087

But the desk-banging was only because he'd told them that he'd done an agreement with Labour over pairing so they could start their Easter holidays a week early.
Unfortunately for the poor dears the deal fell apart and they have to go into work next week now

Aspiring Peasants · Mar 22, 2024

czechmate said:
what have they done for you?
They have taken you out of a huge tarrif free trading block. That’s still popular isn’t it?

The Conservatives campaigned to stay in it actually

czechmate · Mar 22, 2024

Aspiring Peasants said:
The Conservatives campaigned to stay in it actually

oh, my mistake, I wasn’t following that closely but I thought Johnson, Gove, Cash etc were Tories

They need us more than we need them, Easiest deal in history… all from the Tories, no?

Henarar · Mar 22, 2024

czechmate said:
Because of the simple fact that the vote was advisory,

yep, up to them what they done with the result, same as the first ec ref
Cameron could have just said to his mates oh dear folk don't seem best chuffed with the eu but sod them lets ignore it and go down the pub,

Aspiring Peasants · Mar 22, 2024

czechmate said:
oh, my mistake, I wasn’t following that closely but I thought Johnson, Gove, Cash etc were Tories
They need us more than we need them, Easiest deal in history… all from the Tories, no?

The Conservatives were the Government, they led the remain campaign, including sending leaflets to everyone in the country trying to persuade them to vote remain.

czechmate · Mar 22, 2024

Aspiring Peasants said:
The Conservatives were the Government, they led the remain campaign, including sending leaflets to everyone in the country trying to persuade them to vote remain.

and Sunak is the current PM

Aspiring Peasants · Mar 22, 2024

czechmate said:
and Sunak is the current PM

What's that got to do with it? He wasn't at the time of the referendum, a pro EU Conservative government was. You seem to be trying to rewrite history

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