New entrant looking for advice on slatted sheds for sheep and cattle

Emilym

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Livestock Farmer
We are looking at buying a farm steading and part of our business plan includes constructing a new shed and converting an existing shed looking for advice on things to consider and a sounding board on whether our plans sound reasonable.

Converting existing earth floor shed to slatted sheep shed

I have watched a lot of videos on shed design and pointers and they are mostly saying aim for groups of no more than 60 ewes per pen with 6 inch feed space per ewe. We will be feeding TMR.
Thinking of using plastic slats.
Looking for advice on whether to concrete the slurry pit or leave it earth bottom and some guidance on size seeing people mention 1m to 1.5m but some people saying deeper pits are draughty.

Would plan on tupping outside in November then bringing in for three months then back out for lambing. Does anyone tup in shed - would this mean a tighter lambing?

Would most likely be using shed before ewes come in to finish off any final lambs.

Do you shear again when bringing ewes into shed?

Any more issues with disease in shed?

Shed would be close to existing handling system and all under cover.

Building new slatted shed for raising calves to circa 350kg to sell as stores

Looking to build a slatted shed to raise store cattle that we plan on buying in milk. Shed has to be under 1000 Sq m for permitted development rights in our county. So was thinking of 27m by 37m. Was thinking of having the width of the slatted pens as 15ft with a feed passage of 12ft. The length of the pens would be 90ft (27m) split into either 3 pens or 6 pens (either 15ft by 15ft or 30ft by 15ft) was hoping to keep either 7 or 14 per pen - does this sound reasonable?

The pens would run up the shed with feed passage in between and pens back to back with a total of four rows and two feed passages. Drive through feed passages.

Saw some people say just cover the gable ends and leave sides open? Position of shed is very sheltered and side that is open would be about 30ft from forestry. Other open side would face on to yard and not likely to get wind.

Read a lot of people say that rubber covered slats are most comfortable and to rubber the back of the pen a couple of foot to prevent lying against the feed barrier.

Trying to come up with a design to incorporate a handling system and loading pen.

Anything we haven't thought about? Thanks in advance for any advice or comments
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
We started from scratch buying 200 acres 25 years ago and totally renovating a house. Without an outside income we would not have survived and certainly did not build any sheds for first 12 years. Sheds make no income, stock does. As stock increased we added some sheds.
Initial comments, 300 store cattle per year might make £100 profit each. Cost at least £1-80 per day just in feed and bedding. The initial outlay will be large to buy them.
You cannot have slurry on an earth floor, has to be a concrete tank. Your shed is too wide. Feed from the outsides to increase the space for stock inside. The 1000m2 limit doesn't have to be in one go.
You won't graze cattle outside in Scotland for 9/10 months, more like 7 months at best unless you want a lot of mud and time feeding them which means tractors, feed trailers and doing it in the dark some days if you are working. They need extra feeding October to April.
Sheep should be outside instead, less mess than cattle and easier to feed, especially if you plan to lamb outside anyway. Keep them on your hill grazing as long as possible
Don't be driven by grants as estimates will be right at the top end. We built a silage pit for less without available grants just by using self-employed trades and arranging it ourselves.
But, like us, it was something we wanted to do and you only get one chance in life. Just don't bite off too much on borrowings to start.
 

ringi

Member
You won't graze cattle outside in Scotland for 9/10 months, more like 7 months at best unless you want a lot of mud and time feeding them which means tractors, feed trailers

Unless low stocking density with native breeds and regular moves with long recovery times. Even then it needs ground that can cope, but hill ground can sometimes cope a lot better then "higher quality" land with such a system.
 

Rich_ard

Member
We started from scratch buying 200 acres 25 years ago and totally renovating a house. Without an outside income we would not have survived and certainly did not build any sheds for first 12 years. Sheds make no income, stock does. As stock increased we added some sheds.
Initial comments, 300 store cattle per year might make £100 profit each. Cost at least £1-80 per day just in feed and bedding. The initial outlay will be large to buy them.
You cannot have slurry on an earth floor, has to be a concrete tank. Your shed is too wide. Feed from the outsides to increase the space for stock inside. The 1000m2 limit doesn't have to be in one go.
You won't graze cattle outside in Scotland for 9/10 months, more like 7 months at best unless you want a lot of mud and time feeding them which means tractors, feed trailers and doing it in the dark some days if you are working. They need extra feeding October to April.
Sheep should be outside instead, less mess than cattle and easier to feed, especially if you plan to lamb outside anyway. Keep them on your hill grazing as long as possible
Don't be driven by grants as estimates will be right at the top end. We built a silage pit for less without available grants just by using self-employed trades and arranging it ourselves.
But, like us, it was something we wanted to do and you only get one chance in life. Just don't bite off too much on borrowings to start.
Could/would you do it again?
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
Could/would you do it again?
Financially couldn't buy it now even as bare land. I was brought up to it then my career took a different path then an opportunity arose. Put in a hell of an hours for a few years but now farming 420 acres of livestock and debt free. I was determined not to pay any bank one more penny than I had to after trying to tell me what to do then causing the 2008 crash which I bailed them out of. (And all you other kind taxpayers). Nice position to be in but not easily earned. The first 5 years a wheelbarrow was a major purchase as interest 8%
 

Rich_ard

Member
Financially couldn't buy it now even as bare land. I was brought up to it then my career took a different path then an opportunity arose. Put in a hell of an hours for a few years but now farming 420 acres of livestock and debt free. I was determined not to pay any bank one more penny than I had to after trying to tell me what to do then causing the 2008 crash which I bailed them out of. (And all you other kind taxpayers). Nice position to be in but not easily earned. The first 5 years a wheelbarrow was a major purchase as interest 8%
Not sure I would either. Land and stock are higher value but I'm not sure I can make enough per acre. Without of farm work I don't think I would have managed. Not been at it as long as you but not debt free yet. The finacal crash helped me as I'd just taken my loan out then interest rates dropped. You had cheaper ground in the early 2000 though. Not that it makes it much easier! I wasn't interested in spending much for the first few years. I'd my place 10 years before I got any stock or buying much machines! I don't regret doing it but it's taken all my time.
 

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