Paddington
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- Location
- Soggy Shropshire
Perhaps our Shropshire beavers are setting up a branch in Cornwall ?
Who dumped the beaver?
- Thread starter Dry Rot
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- Location
- somerset
now now people, they swum the English channel, navigated along the south coast, followed a wreckers lantern, and were lured up a Cornish river. 
and they have repeatedly done this, to return to their ancestral homes, amazing how instinct can last 400 yrs or more, isn't it ?
now, how long will it be before Eurasian Lynx, learn to swim across the north sea, to return to their ancient haunts, perhaps they have already done it.
if lynx can do it, why not wolves ? According to some, plenty of suitable habitat here for them, and lynx, no problems, they won't attack livestock or people. And if someone says they have, well they are lying. In any case there are far to many ruminants breathing methane, and destroying the planet.
and they have repeatedly done this, to return to their ancestral homes, amazing how instinct can last 400 yrs or more, isn't it ?
now, how long will it be before Eurasian Lynx, learn to swim across the north sea, to return to their ancient haunts, perhaps they have already done it.
if lynx can do it, why not wolves ? According to some, plenty of suitable habitat here for them, and lynx, no problems, they won't attack livestock or people. And if someone says they have, well they are lying. In any case there are far to many ruminants breathing methane, and destroying the planet.
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
A nice pack of wolves here would be great.now now people, they swum the English channel, navigated along the south coast, followed a wreckers lantern, and were lured up a Cornish river.
and they have repeatedly done this, to return to their ancestral homes, amazing how instinct can last 400 yrs or more, isn't it ?
now, how long will it be before Eurasian Lynx, learn to swim across the north sea, to return to their ancient haunts, perhaps they have already done it.
if lynx can do it, why not wolves ? According to some, plenty of suitable habitat here for them, and lynx, no problems, they won't attack livestock or people. And if someone says they have, well they are lying. In any case there are far to many ruminants breathing methane, and destroying the planet.
No livestock and Would keep the dog walkers off the fields!
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linga
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- Location
- Ceredigion
But it would be your responsibility as a land owner to keep dog walkers and their dogs safe no doubt
Seriously this country feels less and less like a place I want to live and farm in. Seriously if I want my children to be able to farm and expand I see no future here. Our politicians are hell bent on exporting our farming operations in return for turning the UK into a play park for a diverse population of morons.
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Shoot the dogs as they going near a protected species?
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
Loads of people with agendas could have done it.
As well as official Nature Scot trapping up here for official rehoming elsewhere there are also beaver vigilante groups going about releasing them into new areas.
Probably backed by the likes of Goldsmith down south.
I must get onto historical Google earth sometime. The difference in riverbanks in the last 10 years is astounding. This time of year the river banks were coming alive with fresh leaves on all the alder that lined them. Now just a desolate wilderness off stumps & washed up dead branches
Still waiting on any of the willow regrowth that was promised too, banks eroding now where they never did before due to loss of vegetation & roots that stabilised them.
A friend in Germany has described similar scenarios. What was once a fast flowing river, with tree lined banks bordering agricultural land, is now a sluggish swamp, a mile wide, with dead or dying native trees, and mosquito ridden stagnant pools.
- Location
- somerset
in the arid areas of the USA, the return/release of beavers, in the rivers there, has been truly amazing. They have regenerated thousands of acres, from basically desert, back to thriving habitat.
the trouble is, zealots read articles about it, and it is truly remarkable, and decide the next best thing, is to release them here, where in some weird imagination, they are going to save us from the carbonated world, and nothing anyone can say, will alter heir opinion.
the problem is, we don't have deserts that need de-desertifying. Nor do the Eurasian beavers actually do that, they just make a mess.
but, hey-ho, with luck, the wolves might get to like the taste of them.
the trouble is, zealots read articles about it, and it is truly remarkable, and decide the next best thing, is to release them here, where in some weird imagination, they are going to save us from the carbonated world, and nothing anyone can say, will alter heir opinion.
the problem is, we don't have deserts that need de-desertifying. Nor do the Eurasian beavers actually do that, they just make a mess.
but, hey-ho, with luck, the wolves might get to like the taste of them.
It's very interesting, if you search for "reintroduction of bears to the Italian Alps", you get all the scientific mumbo jumbo about how wonderful and successful it has been etc, etc.
But then search for "bear attacks in the Italian Alps" and you get a very different perspective.
One would think there could be a lesson to be learned there, but the people behind such things are so wrapped up in their own self-importance that lessons are seldom learned.
But then search for "bear attacks in the Italian Alps" and you get a very different perspective.
One would think there could be a lesson to be learned there, but the people behind such things are so wrapped up in their own self-importance that lessons are seldom learned.
Paddington
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- Soggy Shropshire
Google Tierra del Fuego.
Thought Boris kept all the beavers for himselfOr their friend, Stanley Johnson.
This was from 3 years ago, he has certainly got some live ones since;
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Why Boris Johnson's gift to father Stanley was dead
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Stanley Johnson was looking forward to his 80th birthday after Boris and Caiie declared they were getting him beavers - but Government rules meant things didn't go to plan.www.dailymail.co.uk
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
But it is easy to avoid bears. Just don't venture into bear territory and fasten lots of little bells to your trousers so they can hear you coming. Bears don't like surprises. Want to know if you are venturing into bear territory? Just look for bear sh*t. How do you identify bear sh*t? That's sh*t with bells in it.
As I've said many times before, wait until people see what "wild" looks like, they'll not be so keen.
But then of-course, many advocating these policies will never be anywhere near the resultant mess.
Ironically, some of the bears that have been introduced are now having to be captured following attacks (some fatal) and put in to captivity.
It really is a salutory lesson (or should be) in the potential consequences of poorly thought out human intervention in a bid to mitigate the effects of previous poorly thought out human intervention.
As @Swarfmonkey says....I have little doubt it'd be a horrible little ex pat Scot called Gow.So who dumped the beavers? Cornwall apparently has a pair of beavers secured in a 5 acres enclosure. They haven't had time to breed....but now there are more! Is this the solution to unwanted introduced species? Or are they multiplying by asexual reproduction?
Rogue beavers appear at nature reserve
The animals are being monitored by the Cornwall Wildlife Trustwww.cornwalllive.com
Could you lot have him back please? we're sick of him
It is getting much worse in some EU countries.
The Netherlands now has a major problem- they can't exactly pretend the wolves are staying in sparsely populated/farmed wilderness in Holland.
There have been lots of hideous attacks on sheep lately.
Meanwhile, some countries are fighting back, notably some skandi communities.
Sweden has shot a big % of their wolves this winter, thankfully.
As said, it only seems to matter when the wolves eat someone important's pet.....or 'someone' important themselves in the case of the bears.
Lili
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- Aberystwyth hinterland
Where I've been herding in the alps, the farmers aren't as worried about bears as wolves...the former tend to be a bit lazy about taking livestock.
Runners/joggers however are a little clearer, since one got eaten last year.
Ah, that'd be the way you tell Grizzly sh1t from black bear sh!t.
You should always carry pepper spray in grizzly country, and attach a bell to your hiking pack so you don't startle one.
And knowing their scat is helpful.
Black bear crap has seasonal berries and roots in it, while that of grizzlies smells strongly of pepper spray, and has bells in it.
Be good if we saw a similar change in teh approach to B&W foxes too.