Confessions of the Sheep/Beef Cattle/Pig Addicts

Blue.

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Livestock Farmer
I’ve got ground that looks like that that was last grazed in January 😭😭😭. Walked across one of our mowing meadows yesterday that we normally turn the first 50 outfits onto until mid May. It’s not fit to graze 1 ewe, never mind ewes and lambs. It’s green, but between the grass and the soil is 1/8 inch of water
I thought last March was bad but this year’s far worse,fûçk it’s depressing.😢
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
I’ll be happy to be proved wrong but I think 3 or 4 years of that and your productive grasses will start to be replaced by moss
I've done a bit of it and I've found that does happen sometimes but for some reason i can't explain it doesn't happen everywhere. There is a field here behind the house that has had at least one horse on it for 25 years all winter. I have kept up to 10 heifers all winter the past few years (make less mess than one horse and they may as well be or the horse will be there 🙄)
The field is a bit rough in odd places but the grass is just as good as it always has been and it used to be a hay field. No weeds apart from a patch of creeping thistles on one corner.
Have got another 2 fields next to it I've wintered cattle on once or twice and they are OK as well.
Just the other side of the stream, same soil type and steepish as well, hasn't had cattle all winter but has had some turned out early onto them and they grow moss. I can't really explain why they do and the others don't. Maybe because they are north facing and the others face east/south 🤷 I've never thought of that till I wrote it now though.
Wouldn't do it on anything near a new reseed though the ones I've done it on are all over 50 year old leys. Try and let them seed the next summer as well that has to help fill in the gaps.
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
I’ll be happy to be proved wrong but I think 3 or 4 years of that and your productive grasses will start to be replaced by moss
Why?

Moss is a symptom of overgrazing. Cattle had access to this field for 48hrs (walking back to water).

Stock won't return until the grass has sufficiently rested. And it won't be used for early turn out again for at least 4yrs.
 

Gulli

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I've done a bit of it and I've found that does happen sometimes but for some reason i can't explain it doesn't happen everywhere. There is a field here behind the house that has had at least one horse on it for 25 years all winter. I have kept up to 10 heifers all winter the past few years (make less mess than one horse and they may as well be or the horse will be there 🙄)
The field is a bit rough in odd places but the grass is just as good as it always has been and it used to be a hay field. No weeds apart from a patch of creeping thistles on one corner.
Have got another 2 fields next to it I've wintered cattle on once or twice and they are OK as well.
Just the other side of the stream, same soil type and steepish as well, hasn't had cattle all winter but has had some turned out early onto them and they grow moss. I can't really explain why they do and the others don't. Maybe because they are north facing and the others face east/south 🤷 I've never thought of that till I wrote it now though.
Wouldn't do it on anything near a new reseed though the ones I've done it on are all over 50 year old leys. Try and let them seed the next summer as well that has to help fill in the gaps.
Soil ph would maybe have something to do with it too I reckon
 
Why?

Moss is a symptom of overgrazing. Cattle had access to this field for 48hrs (walking back to water).

Stock won't return until the grass has sufficiently rested. And it won't be used for early turn out again for at least 4yrs.
I did say 3 or 4 years of that, not once every 4 years. I still can't get my head round paddling grass in the winter instead of going for maximum spring and summer growth when it has its maximum feed value
 

hendrebc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Soil ph would maybe have something to do with it too I reckon
Maybe. The ones that grow the moss are the ones that had lime last though 10 years ago maybe. None has been spread in a long time anywhere really (its on the list next after fixing a shed and replacing a loader tractor)
I think there is more to it than that in this case.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Maybe. The ones that grow the moss are the ones that had lime last though 10 years ago maybe. None has been spread in a long time anywhere really (its on the list next after fixing a shed and replacing a loader tractor)
I think there is more to it than that in this case.
You usually get moss growing in permanent pasture on steep north facing fields.At least thats where i get it.
 

Rich_ard

Member
Maybe. The ones that grow the moss are the ones that had lime last though 10 years ago maybe. None has been spread in a long time anywhere really (its on the list next after fixing a shed and replacing a loader tractor)
I think there is more to it than that in this case.
Don't ever let your land know you're poor! Lime would be before a loader and a shed roof!
 

hendrebc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Don't ever let your land know you're poor! Lime would be before a loader and a shed roof!
It's waited till now it can wait another year or two. it still grows grass just not as much as it could. They grow about 6-7t/dm/ha fields around them grow 8-9t.
The other two need doing first they should have been replaced years ago. The shed may as well not have a roof I've not been able to use it this winter and it's made things difficult. The tractor is 30 years old and done about 15000 hours now. I can't feed in winter without one it won't be replaced wirh a fancy new one just one that will get it done more reliably and safer.
That's the problem when you take over the family farm. You don't just get the farm you get all the sh!t that comes with it and have to pay for previous generations problems as well. That sh1!s expensive. I can't afford to sort everything at once while still paying the bank.
Edit before posting. I'm not complaining it's just how it is. Just explaining why I'm not spreading lime first.
 

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