New limits to SFI.

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
There’s a UN thing our politicians have signed up to agenda 30 it has a lot of environmental stuff in it which is all farming related
 
Met in Dubai to tackle climate change sounds very modest of them and hypocritical
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
It does seem bizarre.

- Last week the government "approved" of putting more than 25% of land in wild bird seed mix
- This week, they don't.

- Last week a 100ha applicant could put 100ha in wild bird seed mix. This week he can't.
- Last week a 1000ha applicant could put 250ha into wild bird seed mix, today he still can.

- A 1000ha applicant who applied last week might have put 1000ha into wild bird seed mix. That's still fine.
- A 100ha applicant who applies to put 30ha into wild bird seed mix today is unable to do so.
Govt by arseholes. Simples.
Note that scotland has stood back while the england and wales lemmings went over the cliff
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Someone gave the example of tb testing
We have just come off three years of tb testing every 6 months that’s 12 days a year for 2 people just doing that then there’s all the pre movement testing in between that so roughly you could say that’s one month a year gone for one member of staff so in the last 3 years there’s been 3 months gone tb testing
Yes I’ve no cattle so not got that problem Do you believe it could be scrapped?
 
Yes I’ve no cattle so not got that problem Do you believe it could be scrapped?
No that wasn’t the discussion. It was what we have to do versus what others don’t do
If I were you I would have a think about it there’s an awful lot we do that’s lost time not producing Tb testing was just one example the list is endless
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Yes I’ve no cattle so not got that problem Do you believe it could be scrapped?
I’ve been TB testing our cattle for 52 years now as government after government feck about protecting badgers whilst claiming they have a grand plan to make England TB free, no other country in the world would put up with the shisters we have in Westminster.
Far from saving badgers they have by not tackling the disease in badgers properly whilst it was contained in the far South West condemned badgers all over the country to an eventual death.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
So is it me, or has their hasty calculation been as follows….

£862/ha for wild bird seed mix

X 25% = £215.15/ha

Or £87.21/ac.

So 25% of the area into such options equals the same payment as the old BPS income for the holding.


Albeit SFI involves spending money to achieve that payment.
It also involves relinquishing that 25% area from commercial cropping.



It also doesn’t take into account the areas of non-arable land which the BPS budget also paid out ~£80/ac for.
 
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Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
So is it me, or has their hasty calculation s follows….

£862/ha for wild bird seed mix

X 25% = £215.15/ha

Or £87.21/ac.

So 25% of the area into such options equals the same payment as the old BPS income for the holding.


Albeit SFI involves spending money to achieve that payment.
It also involves relinquishing that 25% area from commercial cropping.



It also doesn’t take into account the areas of non-arable land which the BPS budget also paid out ~£80/ac for.
Yes but you can claim IPM4 on the farm, SAM1 plus Sam2 on some all as well. They haven’t thought it through at all. And thats before we get the summer goodies of payments for direct drilling, variable rate fertilisers etc. just imagine that little lot stacked up. There were a few on here doing the sums a few weeks ago. Clearly never enough cash.
 

e3120

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Yes but you can claim IPM4 on the farm, SAM1 plus Sam2 on some all as well. They haven’t thought it through at all. And thats before we get the summer goodies of payments for direct drilling, variable rate fertilisers etc. just imagine that little lot stacked up. There were a few on here doing the sums a few weeks ago. Clearly never enough cash.
The LFA land is on the other side of the equation, funding it all.
 
Location
Devon
J

what’s that paperwork cost you, a lot less than faffing about with one sheep. that bit of regulation is hardly the difference between profit and loss is it 🤷‍♂️
All costs time which equals money...

And if they come inspecting 3 years down the line ( and long after that one sheep has ended up at the slaughterhouse ) and you do not have those 5 pieces of A4 for that one sheep all hell will break out and the next thing you will know is that they are fining you or worse stopping you from trading.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
All costs time which equals money...

And if they come inspecting 3 years down the line ( and long after that one sheep has ended up at the slaughterhouse ) and you do not have those 5 pieces of A4 for that one sheep all hell will break out and the next thing you will know is that they are fining you or worse stopping you from trading.
Well I hope you exaggerate, I don’t keep 5 pieces of A4 for such a sheep, guess I’ll be shut down one day.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 105 40.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 94 36.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 39 15.1%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 1.9%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 13 5.0%

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