- Location
- Black Isle
So has the pendulum swung to a buyers market? It’s been the other way for too long.
Machinery price discussion .
- Thread starter Beefsmith
- Start date
- Location
- North Wales
It's swinging in that direction I'd say. Buyers definitely hold the power now but theres plenty of expensive stock sitting in dealers yards they don't want to give away
- Location
- E Yorks
Sharman’s and HRN are all the same family the Barclays as is Netherton which is still JD. It’s down to the cousin generation from the brothers but it’s still family blood through it
- Location
- E Yorks
A lot of the mainliner franchises are structured like that to incentivise / bully you to play their game and sing to there tune e.g jd with sprayers
- Location
- Black Isle
I priced a shed recently and it was only 10% more than 2018 which I was surprised at, so steep must be back down so manufacturers shouldn’t have that excuse, energy dropped a decent bit….. they could trim prices but will they, I guess things like trailers or cultivation kit that have plenty competing for business will be more likely to cut prices to stimulate sales if factories were quiet 
- Location
- South West
I think you’d be surprised how little profit there actually is selling tractors and other kit. Most of the profit is from the servicing you need to do for the warranty and the golden handshake the manufacturer hands out end of the year for hitting the targets that get bigger and bigger each year.
- Location
- E Yorks
I agree that’s why they have to hit the target by hook or by crook which usually involves too much stock and a yard full of over valued tradeiins to shift to get the deal and guess what next years target is greater oh and by the way you will buy your neighbouring dealer as well.
- Location
- South West
I’ve heard story’s that the targets arnt particularly regional either. Like the dealers in Devon have the same targets as the dealers in Norfolk, now there’s a damn sight more combines sold in to Norfolk and more foragers in to Devon but they don’t think like that and set unrealistic targets that as has been said the salesmen have to nearly do at a loss to keep the franchise.
- Location
- Wiltshire/Dorset/Somerset
Correct. JCB dealer sold us two tractors at a loss as long as we signed up to extra warranty & servicing so they can get some money back that way and to get the deal / keep JCB happy! Not sure how long that kind of Buisness can carry on to be honest before the manufacturers cut out the middle man and cream more profit
- Location
- South West
I suppose the benefit of the dealers is they can set unrealistic targets which are more often filled with stock orders so the dealer is carrying the ball then rather than the manufacturer.
- Location
- E Yorks
Carrying the Ball / ticking timebomb
- Location
- South West
I wouldn’t be cancelling orders because of no trade in, I always treat my trade ins as a totally separate deal so if I can sell for more private or can be bothered I have the option to, this way they don’t jack the price up to account for a higher trade in to make you think your getting a good deal, and if nothing else you’ll get known as a cock tease
Will beg to differ but they can sell stuff at the top and bugger the customer. It'd be there last sale . It's called trading and that's the nature of all businessI wouldn’t be cancelling orders because of no trade in, I always treat my trade ins as a totally separate deal so if I can sell for more private or can be bothered I have the option to, this way they don’t jack the price up to account for a higher trade in to make you think your getting a good deal, and if nothing else you’ll get known as a cock tease
I wouldn’t be cancelling orders because of no trade in, I always treat my trade ins as a totally separate deal so if I can sell for more private or can be bothered I have the option to, this way they don’t jack the price up to account for a higher trade in to make you think your getting a good deal, and if nothing else you’ll get known as a cock tease
I asked for a quote on a new telescopic with my current machine as a trade in. When the price came I couldn’t get my head around it as it was far far more than I’d envisaged. So I went back to the dealer and said I want a straight buy price of the new machine as I’d decided to keep it as backup. It turned out they’d valued my trade in at £15,000. I then went to the trade to get a price on my trade in and it varied between £27,000 and £30,000 with the higher value coming after a guy had come and had a look at it. I now won’t deal with the original dealer and I’ve told the DP that as well.
I think there’s some seriously worried main dealers about because if I’d of accepted the deal then they would have had around £25,000 out of me assuming profit in a new machine is £10,000.
- Location
- South West
That is simple, say from the start there’s no PX, you then get a realistic none jacked up price you then introduce the idea of PX at the end once you have prices and if you don’t like there bid you can sell else where. Simples..
warksfarmer
Member
JCB telescopic’s are now back to 12 weeks order to delivery as of Friday.
Bit quicker than that, ours came in 10 weeks. Fresh factory order.
- Location
- Cumbria
You say it's a "random hypothetical example" just so it doesn't start any random rumours, not much wrong with Ripon Farm Services balance sheet, in fact quite the opposite, it's looking very healthy.
Yes I used them as there a major player and would leave a massive hole in the HD dealer network if they said nope we’re not gonna sell them anymore. As for the balance sheet it would look even better if they actually advertised everything they have kicking about at various depots. From what I’ve seen the website only shows a small selection of what they actually have for sale.