Electric cars aren't the future

Exfarmer

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Toyota are going for hydrogen engines and one that runs on ammonia apparently.
BMW‘s have had hydrogen cars before Teslas got going but apart from about 3 filling stations it has never gone anywhere. The idea for cars is crazy when you start looking at it. May be a different story for commercial vehicles where a vast gas tank is less of an issue
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
Not saying they are.
You have to open your eyes and look at the country’s they are operating in. And the infrastructure they own .
China are just about to start operating in Africa with one of the biggest iron ore quarry in the world with 13.5 billion tonnes coming out to be shipped back to china for steel manufacturing.
This is phase one .
And going to open up more .
I remember there once was an empire I learnt about in school which had a vast empire in Africa, largest mines in the world , incredible agricultural resources they put in a huge network of trains, schools , hospitals , roads etc.
Fat loit of good it did them though!
 

snarling bee

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Arable Farmer
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Bedfordshire
BMW‘s have had hydrogen cars before Teslas got going but apart from about 3 filling stations it has never gone anywhere. The idea for cars is crazy when you start looking at it. May be a different story for commercial vehicles where a vast gas tank is less of an issue
I disagree.
Have you seen the JCB 3CX Hydrogen?
Hydrogen is the future for commercial vehicles IMO, and electric cars will vie with hydrogen in the small vehicle market
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
I disagree.
Have you seen the JCB 3CX Hydrogen?
Hydrogen is the future for commercial vehicles IMO, and electric cars will vie with hydrogen in the small vehicle market
I agree there is certainly room in the commercial market for hydrogen, with limitations. Not seen the CX but any ideas on run time ? Probably not an issue on most building sites though :ROFLMAO: . However what about refilling the tanks? You cant cart it around in 5 gallons cans but at least it would stop people filching it out of the tank over night.
you do reaalise liquid Hydrogen requires 9 times the space compared to diesel for the equivalent range? Also it requires keeping at 10,000 PSI.
For lorries though it certainly has opportunities with no issues of space for large tanks
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
BMW‘s have had hydrogen cars before Teslas got going but apart from about 3 filling stations it has never gone anywhere. The idea for cars is crazy when you start looking at it. May be a different story for commercial vehicles where a vast gas tank is less of an issue
Been in several hydrogen powered taxis abroad & the drivers there loved them, our government yet again going down the wrong path & will leave the UK at a serious disadvantage
 

br jones

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Not saying they are.
You have to open your eyes and look at the country’s they are operating in. And the infrastructure they own .
China are just about to start operating in Africa with one of the biggest iron ore quarry in the world with 13.5 billion tonnes coming out to be shipped back to china for steel manufacturing.
This is phase one .
And going to open up more .
Did i not read that a deal was done with the peru government, and china now own a mountain range that is full of copper ? And are taking the mountains away as such ?
 
Hydrogen made using large amounts of electricity, might aswell just use the electricity to dive the cars directly.
The difference is the refill time. Same as petrol for hydrogen,not so quick for electric. The infrastructure, hydrogen same as petrol, electric needs vast investment in cables and chargers and power generation. Needs about 25 years to build a nuclear plant and there's none planned yet
 
I agree there is certainly room in the commercial market for hydrogen, with limitations. Not seen the CX but any ideas on run time ? Probably not an issue on most building sites though :ROFLMAO: . However what about refilling the tanks? You cant cart it around in 5 gallons cans but at least it would stop people filching it out of the tank over night.
you do reaalise liquid Hydrogen requires 9 times the space compared to diesel for the equivalent range? Also it requires keeping at 10,000 PSI.
For lorries though it certainly has opportunities with no issues of space for large tanks
Not essential to have a vast range when refilling can be done in the same way and time as petrol. Number one gripe against electric is range and recharge time. Number two is infrastructure for charging. Even if the new capacitor batteries come about,they need a massive electric supply to work the chargers. It can be done ,but when and how much it costs us another thing
 

robs1

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Freight is 2% of road traffic and 22% of road emissions, any Government wanting to actually make an impact would be focusing on HGV's. Easier to hit the little people than upset big business though.
Hgv traffic emissions should be accounted for by everyone, they aren't driving around just for fun like a lot of the little people are, how many drive their kids to school when they could walk, how many other avoidable trips do we all make ? Also HGV emissions have been subject to controls for many years, not sure comparing traffic and emissions is valid anyway
 

Jasper

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Quite agree , writing this on my Chinese made Ipad while watching my chinese made flat screen tv sitting on my possibly chinese made sofa with my feet up on a Chinese made coffee table. The coffee table was supposed to be made in Suffolk but am certain all they did was open the box
All this while waiting for the wife to come back with your Chinese takeaway 👍
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
Been in several hydrogen powered taxis abroad & the drivers there loved them, our government yet again going down the wrong path & will leave the UK at a serious disadvantage
these are totally different technology to the Hydrogen powered ICE vehicles JCB are making and may well be the way forward but Hydrogen is not cheap and requires vast amounts of electricity to make. The return on power is about 30% via fuel cell
 

robs1

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Hydrogen made using large amounts of electricity, might aswell just use the electricity to dive the cars directly.
Perhaps in small range requirements but unless charging rates or range is improved massively hydrogen is the way to go, I've seen reports of small scale hydrogen production at fueling stations and powered by low cal renewable energy sources especially wind at night when there is surplus production.
A range of energy sources for vehicles has to make more sense
 

Daddy Pig

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dorset
I agree there is certainly room in the commercial market for hydrogen, with limitations. Not seen the CX but any ideas on run time ? Probably not an issue on most building sites though :ROFLMAO: . However what about refilling the tanks? You cant cart it around in 5 gallons cans but at least it would stop people filching it out of the tank over night.
you do reaalise liquid Hydrogen requires 9 times the space compared to diesel for the equivalent range? Also it requires keeping at 10,000 PSI.
For lorries though it certainly has opportunities with no issues of space for large tanks
Not sure I'm overly keen at the prospect of driving a truck with a massive tank of hydrogen at 10,000 psi sitting just behind the cab.
 

Nearly

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Location
North of York
Not sure I'm overly keen at the prospect of driving a truck with a massive tank of hydrogen at 10,000 psi sitting just behind the cab.
The VW Hindenberg is their H2 crew cab prototype. ;)

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Ran an lpg Classic Range Rover for 100k miles.
Nothing to be afraid of, over and above normal RR issues.
 

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