Electric cars aren't the future

Canada Farmer · Apr 18, 2024

Interested in farming said:
Not sure you understand communism.

Its an extreme form of socialism where the state has total control and dictates what you can and can't do.
No due democratic process nor any ability to question or challenge the system.
Dissent or any noncompliance is met with removal of privileges, persecution , execution and or death.
So yes the reference to "green communism" is a fair analogy.
Have you ever actually been to a true communist country?

Canada Farmer · Apr 18, 2024

Interested in farming said:
Not sure you understand communism.

Do you want Trudeau for your PM, he might be an improvement on the last half a dozen you have had....

Interested in farming · Apr 18, 2024

Canada Farmer said:
Its an extreme form of socialism where the state has total control and dictates what you can and can't do.
No due democratic process nor any ability to question or challenge the system.
Dissent or any noncompliance is met with removal of privileges, persecution , execution and or death.
So yes the reference to "green communism" is a fair analogy.
Have you ever actually been to a true communist country?

Well you seem to think I live in one. How were your travels around the globe?

BrianV · Apr 18, 2024

MF CI said:
Why do some think it's for the government to fix everything? When the internal combustion engine was first on the market, competing with steam powered vehicles and horse drawn wagons did the government build all the fuel stations, or was it left to the entrepreneurs to supply the market?

Ah but did the government of the time say they were banning horses & steam in 6 years time to force people to buy petrol cars?

Exfarmer · Apr 18, 2024

wanton dwarf said:
Will need to be a lot cheaper to enable those buying second hand to have the option of replacing batteries

Lots of other problems such as fire & grid capacity to sort but ultimately the cost of running a vehicle needs to be as cheap as ICE engines.

My new EV is very much cheaper to run than my old one. Similar performance , similar insurance, £400 A year cheaper to tax. Fuel running cost is about 2p per mile as about 18 for my old diesel.
the downside yes we know range 200 miles and it tops out about 90mph compared to 150 for my old X3 . It is also a car I doubt would be good to tow with
and as for second hand values my X3 which cost just under £60K was valued at £15k 3 years later . To be fair it attracted a similar valuation last year too at 9 years old.
we shall wait and see!

Interested in farming · Apr 18, 2024

BrianV said:
Ah but did the government of the time say they were banning horses & steam in 6 years time to force people to buy petrol cars?

New sales of petrol and diesel aren't going to be 'banned' until 2035. Given the sheer number of cars on the road and how long cars last you won't be 'forced' into an EV until we'll into the 2040s.

I'll say again, the ban was driven by manufacturers who wanted certainty on putting huge sums into development. This is identical to the hysteria over lightbulbs and vacuum cleaner's. Air bags, seat belts, catalysts and hundreds of other changes were presented to the gullible as 'the end of the car'. People actually believed they were better being thrown from the car in an accident.

Fleet street realised there were clicks and LOTS of them in EV articles. I spent a weekend in London recently and the difference in air quality was unbelievable. No diesel taxis or buses, aside from the volume of people it was actually pleasant. I'd ban diesel in cities tomorrow.

wanton dwarf · Apr 18, 2024

Exfarmer said:
My new EV is very much cheaper to run than my old one. Similar performance , similar insurance, £400 A year cheaper to tax. Fuel running cost is about 2p per mile as about 18 for my old diesel.
the downside yes we know range 200 miles and it tops out about 90mph compared to 150 for my old X3 . It is also a car I doubt would be good to tow with
and as for second hand values my X3 which cost just under £60K was valued at £15k 3 years later . To be fair it attracted a similar valuation last year too at 9 years old.
we shall wait and see!

Speaking as someone who has rebuilt engines & replaced them - I cannot fix the batteries & I know they are very expensive to replace.

I don't think the second hand market will ever be there unless that problem is fixed.

Lakesdigger · Apr 18, 2024

wanton dwarf said:
Speaking as someone who has rebuilt engines & replaced them - I cannot fix the batteries & I know they are very expensive to replace.

I don't think the second hand market will ever be there unless that problem is fixed.

If there is enough demand there will be places where batteries can be repaired or where you'll be able to exchange a defective one for a repaired or refurbished one.
E bikes until recently if there was a motor fault it was either warranty replacement or buy a new motor, there was no repair option whatsoever. Even manufacturers weren't taking them back to fix them. That's changed and now there are various repair companies out there.

wanton dwarf · Apr 18, 2024

Lakesdigger said:
If there is enough demand there will be places where batteries can be repaired or where you'll be able to exchange a defective one for a repaired or refurbished one.
E bikes until recently if there was a motor fault it was either warranty replacement or buy a new motor, there was no repair option whatsoever. Even manufacturers weren't taking them back to fix them. That's changed and now there are various repair companies out there.

I wouldn't pay £10Ks for a battery plus the associated potential for Software, Car & Battery to fail as a result.

Not a game I would want to play.

Exfarmer · Apr 19, 2024

It was not so long ago that many farmers were saying, who wants a tractor, my mare costs nothing to feed and breeds its own replacement. My Great Grandfather made a lot of money as had at least a generation before him growing hay for the London market. It came about when they built a railway to Bicester, soon wagons of hay were loaded on board and off to feed the Hansom cab Horses And the city dairies.
My grandfather saw the light, he milked cows greatly aided by the arrival of the MMB and the city dairies were finished as fresh milk came in from the countryside. An early pioneer of tractors soon he was farming a thousand acres. My father then I milked cows and made big money, but the writing was on the wall with the demise of the MMB and we got out.
you have to move with the times, my son is making more than I ever dreamed of in the IT world and does not even own a car living in a city.
motorcars, replaced horses, not in five minutes, nor will EVs replace ICE vehicles in five minutes, but as sure as Blacksmiths turned into garages so the ICE repairers today will turn into EV maintenance or at least their sons and grandsons will

SRRC · Apr 19, 2024

delilah said:
Don't tell Emma Bridgewater that.

Or Edd.

kiwi pom · Apr 19, 2024

I don’t get the tin foil hat, we’re being forced down the route of depending on electricity companies by the government with reduced choices.
How is that different from now being dependent on oil companies.
At least with electric you can produce your own, especially if you have the space like farmers do.
Some weird ideas on here

Dave645 · Apr 19, 2024

JP1 said:
My electric direct debit is around £130 / month. Now my last bill was £240 for the month. Guy living alone, often away , woodburner / oil CH , gas hob / electric oven , instant electric shower

They'll just have you over even more

My last March months bills was £130 for all my heating hot water and cooking in a 5 bed house and my wife and daughters turned on the outdoor hottub, Which pulled 100kwh on its own, I don’t usually turn it to anything but frost watch at that time of the year, unless they all do.
The reason, i did was I now have solar, which even at that time of year produced half my electric this month.
This month So far I have used 40 kwh from the mains exported 123 kwh to the mains and the solar provided the rest the house used, so my net bill so far with a hottub still on, this month is free. Without the hottub my mains use would be zero, and I would be exporting more.
Export rate 15p kwh purchase price 25p from British Gas.
Standing charges 53p/ day.
Get out from under there heals.

ps that includes all my heating, cooking and hot water as I am all electric.

exchange the hottub with an EV and your running your car for free most of the time likely, may to September.
From exported electric you get paid for, or direct charging from solar, because the car is at home during the day.

or stick to ice and keep paying no matter how expensive it gets.

options are great. Farmers with a good shed roof are minted.
My panels are not even on a good roof it’s east west, half on each side.
Solar is key to unlocking the maximum benefits to going electric

warksfarmer · Apr 19, 2024

Interested in farming said:
That's industry figures but, whatever. I can tell you about dealers who can't get enough of them if we're doing the 'what a bloke down the pub says'. I'll also point out that the picture will be different across the country.

But so say 'there's no market for used EVs' is just wrong.

These are not blokes down the pub. Friends I have known for many years. None of them are connected to each other but they all say the same thing and as pointed out 2 of them are franchised main dealers of very prominent elec car brands. They simply do not want them. Yes its a small group out of the industry but its not twisted industry facts to promote the governments narrative of pushing for all electric vehicles.

Exfarmer · Apr 19, 2024

Car dealers are just like farmers only rather than not being the right weather this week ( never is, is it?). it's not the right model , if only you had gone for the XXX model I would have taken it off your hands like a shot, but no mate you can knock a monkey off cos it's the bi turbo, everyone knows they blow so often cos there two of them. Tell you what, give you five for it, really sorry that's all I can do.
Then next week it's on his forecourt for ten.

Everything has its price.

killie_cowboy · Apr 19, 2024

Pistonbroke said:
Welsh assembly is hell bent on onshore wind being the answer. There's planning in for 18 700 ft high turbines on our common now. Because of the size of the development it's a government decision not Powys council. People can stamp their feet all they like ,it will go ahead

Good, so many of these wankstain villagers will vote green then veto any windmills "not in our village", always somebody else's problem yet they want their green lecky.

In the old days people never bothered/had a say whether infrastructure projects went on, like power stations, A frames for mines, etc, but grew to love them as part of the landscape. Windmills are just the same.

Maybe im just a megalophile, but I love looking at giant structures.

Pistonbroke · Apr 19, 2024

killie_cowboy said:
Good, so many of these wankstain villagers will vote green then veto any windmills "not in our village", always somebody else's problem yet they want their green lecky.

In the old days people never bothered/had a say whether infrastructure projects went on, like power stations, A frames for mines, etc, but grew to love them as part of the landscape. Windmills are just the same.

Maybe im just a megalophile, but I love looking at giant structures.

I don't mind the turbines,pylons not so much. The protesters are wanting the cables underground.

killie_cowboy · Apr 20, 2024

Pistonbroke said:
I don't mind the turbines,pylons not so much. The protesters are wanting the cables underground.

Do yourself a favour and take the pylons, we've had the boys putting some underground cables about here for both leccy and fibre. Brain dead they are, doesn't matter what was there before they'll go ploughing through it. Mind dad was there shoveling the stone in behind them as they ploughed through stone drains. Pylons, poles, etc are great things when it's knuckledraggers like yon putting them in.

Exfarmer · Apr 20, 2024

killie_cowboy said:
Do yourself a favour and take the pylons, we've had the boys putting some underground cables about here. Brain dead they are, doesn't matter what was there before they'll go ploughing through it. Mind dad was there shoveling the stone in behind them as they ploughed through stone drains. Pylons, poles, etc are great things when it's knuckledraggers like yon putting them in.

absolutely agree would not have them buried at whatever cost

Pistonbroke · Apr 20, 2024

killie_cowboy said:
Do yourself a favour and take the pylons, we've had the boys putting some underground cables about here for both leccy and fibre. Brain dead they are, doesn't matter what was there before they'll go ploughing through it. Mind dad was there shoveling the stone in behind them as they ploughed through stone drains. Pylons, poles, etc are great things when it's knuckledraggers like yon putting them in.

Doesn't come near our ground, it's all routed on the opposite side of the hill,then 50 miles to the grid connection. That's the stretch with the most opposition

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