Anybody on here let land out to horses

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Very smart set up!

 

[MattR]

Any thing else should think about
Some sort of legal agreement ,grazing liencse?so we can kick them off with a month notice?

Our tenant in a house on the farm is asking for a bit of a field next to her to fence off to run her 2 ponies. How should we go about it, grazing license or similar? Thinking how we stand with the bps etc

 

[Dry Rot]

Pony's are not agriculture so you might have to pay rates.

Depends on the ponies. In Scotland, Highland and Shetland ponies are traditionally considered agricultural, also Clydesdales, as they are used "to work the land". (Think deer ponies). So come under the definition of "livestock". But you need to be careful what you say.

Horses can be considered agricultural provided the land and horses are not obviously managed for amenity (e.g. coloured jumps, showing, competing, riding school, trekking centre, etc) and the major part of the feed is home grown. The planners will want it to be amenity, so line up your facts first.

The definition of "agriculture" ".....Includes horticulture, fruit growing, seed growing, dairy farming and livestock breeding and keeping, the use of land as grazing land, meadow land, osier land, market gardens and nursery grounds, and the use of land for woodlands where that use is ancillary to the farming of land for other agricultural purposes".

 

[neilo]

Same here, even took up half of my new shed .
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I did however earn lots of brownie points .

I must be doing something wrong. I don't earn any brownie points, but I have managed to stave off a divorce (so far). Maybe I need to invest in something a bit smarter like yours, to get more 'appreciation'?

I like the loud speaker on the shed btw. Ideal for telling her when you're ready for your tea.

 

[farmerm]

...and lose agricultural relief on death duties?

Found that out the hard way

 

[farmerm]

Depends on the ponies. In Scotland, Highland and Shetland ponies are traditionally considered agricultural, also Clydesdales, as they are used "to work the land". (Think deer ponies). So come under the definition of "livestock". But you need to be careful what you say.

Horses can be considered agricultural provided the land and horses are not obviously managed for amenity (e.g. coloured jumps, showing, competing, riding school, trekking centre, etc) and the major part of the feed is home grown. The planners will want it to be amenity, so line up your facts first.

The definition of "agriculture" ".....Includes horticulture, fruit growing, seed growing, dairy farming and livestock breeding and keeping, the use of land as grazing land, meadow land, osier land, market gardens and nursery grounds, and the use of land for woodlands where that use is ancillary to the farming of land for other agricultural purposes".

I can tell you for a fact in England unless the grazing horses are activity used for agricultural work HMRC do not accept horse grazing to be agriculural use and IHT relief is not given on land where horses are grazing!! If you want to challenge HMRCs interpretation of the law you will have to take them to the court...

 

[Sussex Martin]

I must be doing something wrong. I don't earn any brownie points, but I have managed to stave off a divorce (so far). Maybe I need to invest in something a bit smarter like yours, to get more 'appreciation'?

I like the loud speaker on the shed btw. Ideal for telling her when you're ready for your tea.

Definitely doing something wrong Neil as I'm still dining out on it.

The 'loud speaker' as you put it is a voice sounder for the burglar alarm, didn't want a noisy siren upsetting the horses . The sounder isn't very loud but the alarm is monitored and the monitoring station has a list of phone numbers (mine first) that they phone if the alarm is set off, useful when the phone signal at home isn't the best .

 

[Dry Rot]

I can tell you for a fact in England unless the grazing horses are activity used for agricultural work HMRC do not accept horse grazing to be agriculural use and IHT relief is not given on land where horses are grazing!! If you want to challenge HMRCs interpretation of the law you will have to take them to the court...

My post was referring to the situation in Scotland as stated in my second sentence. I am sure you are right for England.