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<blockquote data-quote="Austin7" data-source="post: 7452424" data-attributes="member: 42100"><p>“Hindsight” you bring up many interesting points in your latest contributions, difficult to know where to start. You mentioned the Bell Report, Ron Bell had been bought in by Jopling to consider the future of ADAS, Thatcher wanted to take it to the market. Myself and a few others had a scheme to benefit from this and when we found out that Ron was coming to speak locally we kidnapped him from the train station, it worked, we got what we wanted, which was private use of the best ADAS officer.</p><p></p><p>Knowledge transfer by means of kidnap is not the most obvious solution to the problem, but it is a whole lot better than your proposal of asking Rob Clayton. Been there, got the frustration. You say he has “been at PMB then Potato Council for decades”……... I won’t bore you with copies of emails and their inadequate responses going back over the years because all the same grumbles which now threaten to bring AHDB Potatoes down have been left ignored by those who have been managing our levy “for decades”.</p><p></p><p>Professor Ron Bell’s 84 report on ADAS leads directly to AHDB and the many hundreds of private Agronomists who “support” todays farmers. When I am feeling particularly aggravatious I tell my son’s Agronomists that they are the ruination of farmers. It has become little more than farming by numbers. This same attitude pervades knowledge transfer. Farmers are now deemed incapable of absorbing knowledge unless it is in comic form.</p><p></p><p>Yes “Hindsight” you are right I was referring to the PMB/ Potato Council Oxford Library of research documents. It frustrates me that after 25 years complaining the simple task of putting them all on line has not been done. Of course Levy payers revolt if they are forced to pour money into the top and nothing comes out the bottom. Further, in my view AHDB should go beyond its own data and make available as much basic core research as it can lay its hands upon. We regularly use old research data when we can find it, the frustration is that too much is locked away somewhere in the vaults. For example a wet harvest had left us with immediate difficulties washing potatoes. The best advice we found was from experiments done back in 1951 “Efficiency of various methods of washing red river valley potatoes”. Closer to home we benefited hugely from research done by Andrews and Peters SBEU BPC 2006 “Evaluating the efficacy of a screen humidity cell in filtering pathogens and other particulates out of air in potato stores”.</p><p></p><p>Regardless whether the vote is won or lost Nick Saphir has to take his reform proposals way further than he currently proposing. It’s my belief that those who say a lost vote is the end are not serious players, Nick Saphir says that, but hopefully he does not believe it. We need a clean sheet, the levy should just be the skeleton, subscription services should provide the flesh. Nick Saphir says he is going to ask what we want, really Nick? I have been asking Rob Clayton and all Saphir’s predecessors for years, result zilch. No Nick make the AHDB produce something we voluntarily want to pay for. I would be first in line to pay to support the world’s best online potato research site. If it is good enough the world will pay for it. We hold a product in our dusty cupboards which should be earning. Surely, we have learnt that while we compulsorily hand over Levy nothing gets done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Austin7, post: 7452424, member: 42100"] “Hindsight” you bring up many interesting points in your latest contributions, difficult to know where to start. You mentioned the Bell Report, Ron Bell had been bought in by Jopling to consider the future of ADAS, Thatcher wanted to take it to the market. Myself and a few others had a scheme to benefit from this and when we found out that Ron was coming to speak locally we kidnapped him from the train station, it worked, we got what we wanted, which was private use of the best ADAS officer. Knowledge transfer by means of kidnap is not the most obvious solution to the problem, but it is a whole lot better than your proposal of asking Rob Clayton. Been there, got the frustration. You say he has “been at PMB then Potato Council for decades”……... I won’t bore you with copies of emails and their inadequate responses going back over the years because all the same grumbles which now threaten to bring AHDB Potatoes down have been left ignored by those who have been managing our levy “for decades”. Professor Ron Bell’s 84 report on ADAS leads directly to AHDB and the many hundreds of private Agronomists who “support” todays farmers. When I am feeling particularly aggravatious I tell my son’s Agronomists that they are the ruination of farmers. It has become little more than farming by numbers. This same attitude pervades knowledge transfer. Farmers are now deemed incapable of absorbing knowledge unless it is in comic form. Yes “Hindsight” you are right I was referring to the PMB/ Potato Council Oxford Library of research documents. It frustrates me that after 25 years complaining the simple task of putting them all on line has not been done. Of course Levy payers revolt if they are forced to pour money into the top and nothing comes out the bottom. Further, in my view AHDB should go beyond its own data and make available as much basic core research as it can lay its hands upon. We regularly use old research data when we can find it, the frustration is that too much is locked away somewhere in the vaults. For example a wet harvest had left us with immediate difficulties washing potatoes. The best advice we found was from experiments done back in 1951 “Efficiency of various methods of washing red river valley potatoes”. Closer to home we benefited hugely from research done by Andrews and Peters SBEU BPC 2006 “Evaluating the efficacy of a screen humidity cell in filtering pathogens and other particulates out of air in potato stores”. Regardless whether the vote is won or lost Nick Saphir has to take his reform proposals way further than he currently proposing. It’s my belief that those who say a lost vote is the end are not serious players, Nick Saphir says that, but hopefully he does not believe it. We need a clean sheet, the levy should just be the skeleton, subscription services should provide the flesh. Nick Saphir says he is going to ask what we want, really Nick? I have been asking Rob Clayton and all Saphir’s predecessors for years, result zilch. No Nick make the AHDB produce something we voluntarily want to pay for. I would be first in line to pay to support the world’s best online potato research site. If it is good enough the world will pay for it. We hold a product in our dusty cupboards which should be earning. Surely, we have learnt that while we compulsorily hand over Levy nothing gets done. [/QUOTE]
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