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Bosis’ leaked food strategy document; worse than half-baked
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<blockquote data-quote="Dave645" data-source="post: 8182884" data-attributes="member: 55822"><p>I think the problem comes about when the goals of change, retail, government, and society are totally at odds.</p><p>and all these pressured as applied to land owners, and farmers.</p><p></p><p>1. farmers want profits.</p><p>2 farmers want stable incomes.</p><p>3. sustainable everything including farming has been pushed into the public domain.</p><p>4. everyone wants food to be either cheap or free (free school dinners, no bad thing)</p><p>5. everyone thinks because they cannot give up their fossil fuel habits the solution is plant trees.</p><p>6. vegan propaganda has created an illusion, in the publics minds that its possible to not need animal products while feeding the planets growing populations.</p><p>7. we can build more housing on agricultural land and it has no effect.</p><p></p><p>a. the realities are food has to increase in price its been stagnant for far to long.</p><p>b. vegan can never be the main stream solution is ignores 7/10ths of the planets surface the oceans! then it also writes off another large portion of the land that's only fit to grow grass.</p><p>its a total dead end.</p><p>c. stable incomes for farming only come from short supply so strong prices, this is actually a bad result and not sustainable for us as a species. better to support farming while helping farmers target production goals.</p><p>boom and bust production doesn't help farming. marketing boards and production caps play better than some other results.</p><p>d. farming can improve its sustainability, and it should, but until the way for that, for it to happen is not at the expense of profits and production, or is adequately subsidised, please don't create new rules.</p><p>e. the real problem with C02 and methane is not farming and never has been, <a href="https://phys.org/news/2022-06-methane-emissions-offshore-platform-gulf.html" target="_blank">https://phys.org/news/2022-06-methane-emissions-offshore-platform-gulf.html</a></p><p>the problem is our addiction to fossil fuels we farmers are just as guilty, but note there are still a lot of big fossil fuel producing business still pushing back on a transition of our energy consumption away from fossil fuels, because it makes them a lot of money. the reality is when we finally mange it we will look back and say why did we ever burn fossil fuels, and this is not because of climate change, but pollution, health, clean air, reduced noise, cheaper energy, actual real sustainability comes when the system that supports us doesn't require us to burn fossil fuels. it drove power into the hands of the likes of Putin, de centralised energy production like solar can be had by a far larger portion of society than controlled fossil fuels.</p><p>f. the increasing pressure on land will not stop, and will only get worse as populations keep growing, increases in production as not simple so waste control is key, again this plays back to market control to avoid waste full production, as another poster added 20ha of cabbages is a lot of cabbage to sell without a market for it at the time its ready for selling it. a marketing board could ease some of those problems if it was setup in the right way, in some respects like British sugar works now.</p><p>g. a radical reduction in the number of farmers, will not end in better prices for those left, a radical reduction in family farmers will also be a negative result for the industry and nature.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave645, post: 8182884, member: 55822"] I think the problem comes about when the goals of change, retail, government, and society are totally at odds. and all these pressured as applied to land owners, and farmers. 1. farmers want profits. 2 farmers want stable incomes. 3. sustainable everything including farming has been pushed into the public domain. 4. everyone wants food to be either cheap or free (free school dinners, no bad thing) 5. everyone thinks because they cannot give up their fossil fuel habits the solution is plant trees. 6. vegan propaganda has created an illusion, in the publics minds that its possible to not need animal products while feeding the planets growing populations. 7. we can build more housing on agricultural land and it has no effect. a. the realities are food has to increase in price its been stagnant for far to long. b. vegan can never be the main stream solution is ignores 7/10ths of the planets surface the oceans! then it also writes off another large portion of the land that's only fit to grow grass. its a total dead end. c. stable incomes for farming only come from short supply so strong prices, this is actually a bad result and not sustainable for us as a species. better to support farming while helping farmers target production goals. boom and bust production doesn't help farming. marketing boards and production caps play better than some other results. d. farming can improve its sustainability, and it should, but until the way for that, for it to happen is not at the expense of profits and production, or is adequately subsidised, please don't create new rules. e. the real problem with C02 and methane is not farming and never has been, [URL]https://phys.org/news/2022-06-methane-emissions-offshore-platform-gulf.html[/URL] the problem is our addiction to fossil fuels we farmers are just as guilty, but note there are still a lot of big fossil fuel producing business still pushing back on a transition of our energy consumption away from fossil fuels, because it makes them a lot of money. the reality is when we finally mange it we will look back and say why did we ever burn fossil fuels, and this is not because of climate change, but pollution, health, clean air, reduced noise, cheaper energy, actual real sustainability comes when the system that supports us doesn't require us to burn fossil fuels. it drove power into the hands of the likes of Putin, de centralised energy production like solar can be had by a far larger portion of society than controlled fossil fuels. f. the increasing pressure on land will not stop, and will only get worse as populations keep growing, increases in production as not simple so waste control is key, again this plays back to market control to avoid waste full production, as another poster added 20ha of cabbages is a lot of cabbage to sell without a market for it at the time its ready for selling it. a marketing board could ease some of those problems if it was setup in the right way, in some respects like British sugar works now. g. a radical reduction in the number of farmers, will not end in better prices for those left, a radical reduction in family farmers will also be a negative result for the industry and nature. [/QUOTE]
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