Buccleuch in a spot of bother

[brigadoon]

Yes quite correct in that Japan was the original destination for much of the radiata, and framing timber from the best of it and the douglas fir.

Interesting what you say about the monoculture issue being addressed in legislation already, whats the minimum number of species needed to be planted together in order to be allowed?

We don't specify a minimum number of species but the predominant species cannot exceed 75% then you need minimum 10% open ground, 10% other species (can be another conifer) and 5% native shrubs or broadleaf.

You will not be allowed to exceed these figures and may well be subject to site restrictions i.e. you need to comply with separate water and forest guidelines so if you have a watercourse on the site you will not be allowed to plant close up to it.

Max coupe for harvesting is 50 Ha and then you need to get new crop to 2m before felling next coupe along.

 

[DrDunc]

We don't specify a minimum number of species but the predominant species cannot exceed 75% then you need minimum 10% open ground, 10% other species (can be another conifer) and 5% native shrubs or broadleaf.

You will not be allowed to exceed these figures and may well be subject to site restrictions i.e. you need to comply with separate water and forest guidelines so if you have a watercourse on the site you will not be allowed to plant close up to it.

Max coupe for harvesting is 50 Ha and then you need to get new crop to 2m before felling next coupe along.

So initially @brigadoon pours scorn and derision upon whether tenant farmers are being evicted by landlords for financial gain.

He then asserts that it's the landlords prerogative, but disputes that there's been hundreds of families evicted.

After ignoring the actual statistics, we finally discover his motivation for muddying the water.....

Is he a forestry advisor, factor, or some other form of consultant that makes his living from trees being planted in agricultural land?

 

[sawdust]

So each harvester takes out a farm a year or 25 farming families livelihoods over the 25 year crop cycle sounds pretty rapid route to dopulating a remote rural community.
We got a similar thing in this part of world with landlords seeking to lose farmers in favour of environmental/rewinding on more marginal farmland. Change without due consideration to socio-economic impact.....going to be an increasing problem if subsidies allowed to focus away from farming and into alternative directions.

All that ground will be replanted so will be in a crop rotations scheme, not any different to farmer/landowner putting solar panels in his field, it's his field he can put/do what he wants with it

 

[sawdust]

Max coupe for harvesting is 50 Ha and then you need to get new crop to 2m before felling next coupe along.

Or 7 years old whichever comes first

If it suits! some of the private sector

 

[glasshouse]

Glasshouse, if you'd been born with his silver spoon in your mouth (and him with your chipped wooden one), do you honestly think you'd have done anything different?

(It's a rhetorical question, for all you'll bump your gums saying 'no', you'd be the first to say 'get off of my land').

If I heard right this morning, our 'esteemed leader' in Holyrood is giving the duke and his like £6,800 a hectare in planting grants, and £200 a hectare every year to 'manage' the plantations, with extra money available for deer fencing. And forestry schemes are tax free...
Will they still be able to claim the SFP too, as the cherry on top?

I wonder if it's being paid out of the same EU pot that our EU 'Modulation' gets paid into?
The same pot that pays out £320 Ha under AECS for 'wild bird food', while DEFRA pays out £640 for a similar scheme in England?

And so much the SNP's much praised 'Universalism', taxing 'the poor' so that they can pay for the Dukes kids to go to St Andrews University FoC

FFS, first ScotGov fudge up land reform, and then they dangle a golden carrot in front of the land owners. You'd have to think that if Sturgeon was actively trying to recreate the highland clearances, she wouldn't have to do anything different. Thatchers heir: Nicola, the Tartan Tory!

"SAOR ALBA!" yer erse.

To be fair to sturgeon, these mistakes were made in salmonds time and lochhead must take the blame.
Land reform was not fudged, they got most of it right, and bucvleuch capers will ensure further reform.

 

[Jim75]

@Diesel burner

 

[Andy84]

Yep it's going to be a major issue this in thr future fencing off and planting all the burn and ditch sides that's where all the bloody drains run out....

Its not just urbanites who are clueless.
Estate factors take the prize for stupidity when they take a strip along the bottom of a field to plant trees.
They forget that the drains all run through there, especially the main, but heyho, by the time the rest of the field turns to a swamp they have got their money and are long gone.

E a

 

[brigadoon]

So initially @brigadoon
After ignoring the actual statistics, we finally discover his motivation for muddying the water.....

Is he a forestry advisor, factor, or some other form of consultant that makes his living from trees being planted in agricultural land?

Sorry whereabouts did you (or anyone else) post or link to the actual statistics for current farm tenancy evictions? If you have any actual facts to back up the article which I have disputed then I will be happy to see them.

yet at this very time hundreds of food-producing tenant farmers across Scotland are being evicted or otherwise losing their tenancies so that landowners can reap the financial benefits of forestry grants

You will find my occupation detailed on my profile - its been there for years and is still correct. You will also find my current location

 

[glasshouse]

Duke in more bother last night.

 

[PSQ]

Duke in more bother last night.

Go on then...

 

[glasshouse]

 

[Pringles]

What has he done now?
He was getting a pat on the back from the STFA in this weeks “Scowlin Fermer”

 

[PSQ]

http://www.eladvertiser.co.uk/news/...nants-05cd560f-c115-4921-9414-8a5d1aa1e895-ds

Or to paraphrase:

"Very rich man criticised for following Scottish Government advice and financial incentives to the letter".

Who's your beef with glasshouse, Richard Scott or Nicola Sturgeon?
(No point blaming Fergus Ewing, the '40 Watt bulb' shouldn't be left alone with scissors, never mind a cabinet department).

 

[glasshouse]

http://www.eladvertiser.co.uk/news/...nants-05cd560f-c115-4921-9414-8a5d1aa1e895-ds

Or to paraphrase:

"Very rich man criticised for following Scottish Government advice and financial incentives to the letter".

Who's your beef with glasshouse, Richard Scott or Nicola Sturgeon?
(No point blaming Fergus Ewing, the '40 Watt bulb' shouldn't be left alone with scissors, never mind a cabinet department).

If he had followed the protocols to the letter this wouldnt be happening

 

[PSQ]

If he had followed the protocols to the letter this wouldnt be happening

Tenants rights are enshrined in 'protocols' ?

 

[glasshouse]

http://www.eladvertiser.co.uk/news/...nants-05cd560f-c115-4921-9414-8a5d1aa1e895-ds

Or to paraphrase:

"Very rich man criticised for following Scottish Government advice and financial incentives to the letter".

Who's your beef with glasshouse, Richard Scott or Nicola Sturgeon?
(No point blaming Fergus Ewing, the '40 Watt bulb' shouldn't be left alone with scissors, never mind a cabinet department).

I dont have a particular "beef" with the duke, just simply reporting the 250 people at langholm who seem to have one

 

[Happy]

http://www.eladvertiser.co.uk/news/...nants-05cd560f-c115-4921-9414-8a5d1aa1e895-ds

Or to paraphrase:

"Very rich man criticised for following Scottish Government advice and financial incentives to the letter".

Who's your beef with glasshouse, Richard Scott or Nicola Sturgeon?
(No point blaming Fergus Ewing, the '40 Watt bulb' shouldn't be left alone with scissors, never mind a cabinet department).

Are both parties not just dancing around the real cause of all this?

Landlords are sh!t scared of tenants having a future absolute right to buy so taking land back in hand wherever possible and under absolutely no circumstances will want to let out land so long as the threat of that coming in is there.

Probably suits the estates to site availability of good payments for forestry as a reason for the change of land use and the STFA to paint them as heartless barstewards putting people off the land but behind it all is this right to buy issue.

 

[glasshouse]

Are both parties not just dancing around the real cause of all this?

Landlords are sh!t scared of tenants having a future absolute right to buy so taking land back in hand wherever possible and under absolutely no circumstances will want to let out land so long as the threat of that coming in is there.

Probably suits the estates to site availability of good payments for forestry as a reason for the change of land use and the STFA to paint them as heartless barstewards putting people off the land but behind it all is this right to buy issue.

Right to buy holds no fears for buccleuch as they are offering their farms to the tenants to buy anyway.
Its all about getting the forestry grant and the carbon credits, nothing to do with rtb