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<blockquote data-quote="ollie989898" data-source="post: 7424416" data-attributes="member: 54866"><p>I don't think anyone can reliably quantify the risk to an individual from this disease. I don't know my own risk given my circumstances, I don't know what the risk is to my kids or my extended family. But the government aren't worried about this anyway.</p><p></p><p>The government are concerned <em>only</em> with the capacity within the NHS. They know that this virus has the capability to overwhelm the NHS and that if you get enough people infected at any one time, irrespective of who they are or how old they are, a number of people will end up hospitalised with it. Now, capacity is capacity and there is only so much intensive care bed space (and staff) available in the UK. We know, from historical records, what the monthly totals of patients requiring ITU care will be in regular circumstances. You can plan for that as we know so many people will have a heart attack/stroke/massive car accident etc this month. Covid 19 blows all that up and gives you no warning.</p><p></p><p>People are naturally curious about or focused upon the perceived or relative risk <em>to themselves</em>. Government policy isn't being formulated based on the risk <em>to you</em>. It is solely a calculation based on how many people are infected and how much capacity does the health service have?</p><p></p><p>You can imagine the tabloid headlines when some random Joe has a car accident and dies because there is not a single ITU bed available for 100 miles in any direction. There would be a political firestorm if that situation happened or if a covid19 patient was taken out of ITU and allowed to die because that same car accident patient needed the bed.</p><p></p><p>A covid19 risk I can sort of come to terms with psychologically. I can't personally quantify the risk of me being in a serious car accident or what happens to me when I suddenly need an intensive care bed but I need a 2 hour ambulance trip before I get to one. I can't quantify the risk to me either when I need hospital treatment despite knowing all the NHS staff are fudged, knackered or emotionally worn down. People make mistakes when they are tired, stressed and under pressure. Studies have been carried out on pilots and surgeons and the results of stress well recognised worldwide. I'm all in favour of personal liberty and folk living their lives but people need to take responsibility and not be engaging in daft activities like cliff jumping or driving on the snow for no fudging reason during a pandemic.</p><p></p><p>You wanna go a football match, ok by me. How about you sign an NHS waiver first? Still want to watch football now?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ollie989898, post: 7424416, member: 54866"] I don't think anyone can reliably quantify the risk to an individual from this disease. I don't know my own risk given my circumstances, I don't know what the risk is to my kids or my extended family. But the government aren't worried about this anyway. The government are concerned [I]only[/I] with the capacity within the NHS. They know that this virus has the capability to overwhelm the NHS and that if you get enough people infected at any one time, irrespective of who they are or how old they are, a number of people will end up hospitalised with it. Now, capacity is capacity and there is only so much intensive care bed space (and staff) available in the UK. We know, from historical records, what the monthly totals of patients requiring ITU care will be in regular circumstances. You can plan for that as we know so many people will have a heart attack/stroke/massive car accident etc this month. Covid 19 blows all that up and gives you no warning. People are naturally curious about or focused upon the perceived or relative risk [I]to themselves[/I]. Government policy isn't being formulated based on the risk [I]to you[/I]. It is solely a calculation based on how many people are infected and how much capacity does the health service have? You can imagine the tabloid headlines when some random Joe has a car accident and dies because there is not a single ITU bed available for 100 miles in any direction. There would be a political firestorm if that situation happened or if a covid19 patient was taken out of ITU and allowed to die because that same car accident patient needed the bed. A covid19 risk I can sort of come to terms with psychologically. I can't personally quantify the risk of me being in a serious car accident or what happens to me when I suddenly need an intensive care bed but I need a 2 hour ambulance trip before I get to one. I can't quantify the risk to me either when I need hospital treatment despite knowing all the NHS staff are fudged, knackered or emotionally worn down. People make mistakes when they are tired, stressed and under pressure. Studies have been carried out on pilots and surgeons and the results of stress well recognised worldwide. I'm all in favour of personal liberty and folk living their lives but people need to take responsibility and not be engaging in daft activities like cliff jumping or driving on the snow for no fudging reason during a pandemic. You wanna go a football match, ok by me. How about you sign an NHS waiver first? Still want to watch football now? [/QUOTE]
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