Cumbrian Farmer fined 100 Grand

[Ffermer Bach]

Which is...?

it's a company that does health and safety assurance, basically a company registers with them, then they do an audit on the first Health and Safety arrangements and systems, and providing it is all ok, certifies the firms systems, so a client can choose a certified contractor knowing that they are "safe" and therefore has fulfilled their obligations in choosing a competent and safe contractor to undertake the task, rather than having to undertake their own questioning of the subcontractors. I suppose a way of outsourcing compliance checks, common to get onto for examples housing associations or councils tender lists.

 

[neilo]

I don't think there is, in the construction industry the large companies are the drivers for such schemes, agriculture does not have the same large employers driving changes like that

A cynic might suggest that those ‘large companies’ have driven it as a method of putting more hurdles in the way of the little guys, thus keeping the job nicely in house.

 

[DrWazzock]

And so we build industries on the back of industries and industries to police the industries that monitor the industries.

Let's hope the blokes who are actually doing the work can earn enough to keep the whole house of cards going eh?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

A cynic might suggest that those ‘large companies’ have driven it as a method of putting more hurdles in the way of the little guys, thus keeping the job nicely in house.

I heard something on the radio talking about the EU, someone from Microsoft said an EU directive had cost them Millions (tens of millions?) of pounds, but they were happy with that, because complying with it meant that smaller companies could not afford to, so it kept all the business for them, so, yes there could be a degree of truth in what you wrote, however, it also means, hopefully that all in the supply chain are safe and compliant.

 

[Henarar]

And so we build industries on the back of industries and industries to police the industries that monitor the industries.

parasites

 

[kiwi pom]

And so we build industries on the back of industries and industries to police the industries that monitor the industries.

Let's hope the blokes who are actually doing the work can earn enough to keep the whole house of cards going eh?

You could say if it was done right first time no one would need to police anything.
The people that are getting hysterical and outraged by it all seem to be the 'one man bands' so other than making sure contractors are competent and are told of any risks , they have few worries.
The problem is businesses that are employing people but don't do things right. Like the case of the woman killed because of a pto shaft.
When things like that happen these days they cant be ignored, I just don't see why there's so much outrage to just doing things properly.

 

[betweenthelines]

It's cheaper to prevent accidents than to pay the costs of them

There's the obvious costs like fines and increased insurances premiums, but even minor accidents have a cost.

Say your tractor driver slips and wrenches his knee when getting out of the cab. Well, he's not going to do any more work today, is he? And someone will drive him to A & E, so that's two people not working. Then he's told to rest up for a week, who's going to do his work? Perhaps get a contractor in? Off work for a week? That's a RIDDOR so H S E need a written report, could take you half a day to get statements, training records (hopefully) etc. together.

Could all have been avoided by telling him to wear proper boots and keep the cab clean.

 

[renewablejohn]

Wont matter soon will have a robot to do most of these mundane tasks and they could not care less about loosing a limb.

 

[thesilentone]

I'm not aware of any agricultural scheme. The estate I work for has a large property portfolio so they went with Safe Contractor. There's a vast number of schemes borne out of specialist sectors like electricians, plumbers, boiler engineers, builders etc. CHAS is one of them. Most of the property contractors are members of a few so weren't chuffed to be told that they'd have to sign up for another one if they wanted to continue to work here. The agricultural/forestry contractors & machinery dealers were the ones most unhappy as none of them were members of any such scheme apart from the sewage spreaders who were part of one enforced on them by Wessex Water.

Whilst this has added cost and admin to the job, we found out that a lot of the one man bands didn't even have any training or liability insurance! If you think these schemes are expensive, think of what the cost to us and any victims had been if something had gone wrong. Quite an eye opener.

http://www.naac.co.uk/userfiles/files/1. ALBC Generic Standard-Oct 2010.pdf

 

[Brisel]

http://www.naac.co.uk/userfiles/files/1. ALBC Generic Standard-Oct 2010.pdf

Thank you. First I've heard of it. Are you aware of anyone signing up to it?

This is the kind of thing I was referring to - a 3rd party audited scheme that dots the Is and crosses the Ts.

 

[thesilentone]

Thank you. First I've heard of it. Are you aware of anyone signing up to it?

This is the kind of thing I was referring to - a 3rd party audited scheme that dots the Is and crosses the Ts.

http://www.naac.co.uk/find_a_contractor/

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