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<blockquote data-quote="Hindsight" data-source="post: 7044792" data-attributes="member: 3169"><p>A good coherent reply. Some reasonable arguments. I just have a couple of things Mrs Brown would like to know. </p><p></p><p>1 <em>she already pays to remove by products of her food production from her water, she already pays increased insurance premiums due to flood risk and she already pays for dredging, creation of flood defences and disaster recovery when things go wrong - all that’s ELMS changes in this respect is ultimately who she pays</em></p><p></p><p>Will she actually see a true reduction in her insurance premiums and local rates etc. Starting in 2024 as she understands that is when ELMS is going to start paying you to grow a cover crop. </p><p></p><p><em>2 She isn’t paying the true cost of her driving, heating, lighting, flights for summer holidays and high consumerism of cheap imported electronics, cars or food. She has children and maybe would like grandchildren so will have a desire that our environment should be more sustainable and as a realist will know that will not happen without cost</em></p><p></p><p>Can you explain and convince her she isn't paying the true cost. It seems to her the true cost when she has to pay her credit card bill each month. She does indeed concur with your view about the environment but is just unclear and uncertain why she has extra cost paid to a farmer for a cover crop (whatever that is). She would prefer to have smaller class sizes at her Grandchildrens school. </p><p></p><p><em>3 production of food, environment, wildlife, public health, education, welfare, crime etc are ALL connected and should never be considered in isolation - if you want to unburden the NHS it starts with good diet for example ......... Henry Dimbelby will hopefully pull all this together in his upcoming report</em></p><p></p><p>This sounds somewhat complex and goes a bit above her head. Not a lot more I can say. She understands the diet comment and she and her family are trying to eat more healthily. Buying more fresh fruit and vegetables as proportion of there weekly shop and reducing sugary things. But she was told leaving the EU would reduce food prices and not totally sure how paying a farmer to grow this cover crop thingy will lead to her getting better value food. But sure you are right!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hindsight, post: 7044792, member: 3169"] A good coherent reply. Some reasonable arguments. I just have a couple of things Mrs Brown would like to know. 1 [I]she already pays to remove by products of her food production from her water, she already pays increased insurance premiums due to flood risk and she already pays for dredging, creation of flood defences and disaster recovery when things go wrong - all that’s ELMS changes in this respect is ultimately who she pays[/I] Will she actually see a true reduction in her insurance premiums and local rates etc. Starting in 2024 as she understands that is when ELMS is going to start paying you to grow a cover crop. [I]2 She isn’t paying the true cost of her driving, heating, lighting, flights for summer holidays and high consumerism of cheap imported electronics, cars or food. She has children and maybe would like grandchildren so will have a desire that our environment should be more sustainable and as a realist will know that will not happen without cost[/I] Can you explain and convince her she isn't paying the true cost. It seems to her the true cost when she has to pay her credit card bill each month. She does indeed concur with your view about the environment but is just unclear and uncertain why she has extra cost paid to a farmer for a cover crop (whatever that is). She would prefer to have smaller class sizes at her Grandchildrens school. [I]3 production of food, environment, wildlife, public health, education, welfare, crime etc are ALL connected and should never be considered in isolation - if you want to unburden the NHS it starts with good diet for example ......... Henry Dimbelby will hopefully pull all this together in his upcoming report[/I] This sounds somewhat complex and goes a bit above her head. Not a lot more I can say. She understands the diet comment and she and her family are trying to eat more healthily. Buying more fresh fruit and vegetables as proportion of there weekly shop and reducing sugary things. But she was told leaving the EU would reduce food prices and not totally sure how paying a farmer to grow this cover crop thingy will lead to her getting better value food. But sure you are right! [/QUOTE]
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