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<blockquote data-quote="Goweresque" data-source="post: 7413256" data-attributes="member: 818"><p>To be honest for all the talk of 'measuring outcomes not just saying do this/don't do that' I can't see how ELMS will be any different from any other environmental scheme, because actual 'measuring outcomes' is virtually impossible to do in a fair, reasonable and practical manner. Are they going to inspect every acre of land and count how many birds and bees there are on it each and every year? What if all the birds and bees have buggered off to your neighbours that day when the inspector comes round? Do you get no money and he gets it all? Or more likely when they inspect his land next month the birds and bees are all back on yours so no-one gets any money?</p><p></p><p>All I can see ELMS being is a more all encompassing CSS type of scheme with lots of options and thousands of thou shall/thou shalt not rules to abide by. Actual flora and fauna outcomes will be irrelevant, as they have ever been in all environmental schemes, because there is no simple way for a bureaucracy to easily account for them. Adherence to a long list of rules is far easier to administer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goweresque, post: 7413256, member: 818"] To be honest for all the talk of 'measuring outcomes not just saying do this/don't do that' I can't see how ELMS will be any different from any other environmental scheme, because actual 'measuring outcomes' is virtually impossible to do in a fair, reasonable and practical manner. Are they going to inspect every acre of land and count how many birds and bees there are on it each and every year? What if all the birds and bees have buggered off to your neighbours that day when the inspector comes round? Do you get no money and he gets it all? Or more likely when they inspect his land next month the birds and bees are all back on yours so no-one gets any money? All I can see ELMS being is a more all encompassing CSS type of scheme with lots of options and thousands of thou shall/thou shalt not rules to abide by. Actual flora and fauna outcomes will be irrelevant, as they have ever been in all environmental schemes, because there is no simple way for a bureaucracy to easily account for them. Adherence to a long list of rules is far easier to administer. [/QUOTE]
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