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<blockquote data-quote="egbert" data-source="post: 5846668" data-attributes="member: 9965"><p>bleddy hell Clive, hang on a minute.</p><p>it's all very well looking at bare arable land, but it's not all like that.</p><p>On one site, I rent grazing/mowing land off someone who claims the sub direct.</p><p>I don't pay em a whole lot (unfertilised, mole and bracken infested ground, partly steep, and needs yet more fencing, although i'm very fond of it),</p><p>...and if the costs of their fencing and the odd bit of maintenance are factored in, they're struggling to make tuppence without the sub.</p><p>You wouldn't want to be paying a mortgage on what i can pay them.</p><p></p><p>Take away the sub, and the family would be looking at a stark choice.</p><p></p><p>i'm not sure who you'd have put out of business here.</p><p>The rest of my operation is massively subbed, although this block has to stand on a certain amount of rationale, while their lives are propped up elsewhere (by subs on other ground, and I believe 'other income').</p><p></p><p>come the glorious day Brothers ('Freedom for Tooting' and all that), with no subs at all (and I suspect it won't come to that just there given its high enviro score) ...</p><p>I'd struggle to run any kind of cattle enterprise in a wholly unsubbed business, </p><p>while the saleable value of such ground wouldn't fall much because it's in a nat park, near a village, and a short clip clop up a stoned track to open moorland.</p><p></p><p>it's questionable whether, in a 'no sub' situation, whether this land would be farmed at all.</p><p>Is that a good plan for the nation?</p><p></p><p>Another one then.</p><p>Elsewhere (lower down), i rent out arable ground at the going rate, whilst also claiming on it myself.</p><p>My customer grows maize and/or barley, which is currently flogged into farm usage.</p><p>If his customers get the cramps because they're struggling to make stock pay.....well, I suppose he could send maize to an AD plant, but I thought we were talking about a world without subs?</p><p></p><p>I suspect my income from that land is destined to plummet in fairly short order.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="egbert, post: 5846668, member: 9965"] bleddy hell Clive, hang on a minute. it's all very well looking at bare arable land, but it's not all like that. On one site, I rent grazing/mowing land off someone who claims the sub direct. I don't pay em a whole lot (unfertilised, mole and bracken infested ground, partly steep, and needs yet more fencing, although i'm very fond of it), ...and if the costs of their fencing and the odd bit of maintenance are factored in, they're struggling to make tuppence without the sub. You wouldn't want to be paying a mortgage on what i can pay them. Take away the sub, and the family would be looking at a stark choice. i'm not sure who you'd have put out of business here. The rest of my operation is massively subbed, although this block has to stand on a certain amount of rationale, while their lives are propped up elsewhere (by subs on other ground, and I believe 'other income'). come the glorious day Brothers ('Freedom for Tooting' and all that), with no subs at all (and I suspect it won't come to that just there given its high enviro score) ... I'd struggle to run any kind of cattle enterprise in a wholly unsubbed business, while the saleable value of such ground wouldn't fall much because it's in a nat park, near a village, and a short clip clop up a stoned track to open moorland. it's questionable whether, in a 'no sub' situation, whether this land would be farmed at all. Is that a good plan for the nation? Another one then. Elsewhere (lower down), i rent out arable ground at the going rate, whilst also claiming on it myself. My customer grows maize and/or barley, which is currently flogged into farm usage. If his customers get the cramps because they're struggling to make stock pay.....well, I suppose he could send maize to an AD plant, but I thought we were talking about a world without subs? I suspect my income from that land is destined to plummet in fairly short order. [/QUOTE]
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