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<blockquote data-quote="som farmer" data-source="post: 9223592" data-attributes="member: 86168"><p>prg and w clover, which make up the basis of most modern leys, both of which are relatively shallow rooted, N applications feed above ground growth, rather than root growth.</p><p></p><p>as soon as you change to a h ley, you are changing to deep rooted plants, a fundamental difference, you are gaining minerals, and fertility, that wasn't available to use, with prg/clover.</p><p></p><p>management for both, is very different, one responds to N, and the other doesn't, or to a much lower extent. N on a h/ley will encourage the grass element, which tends to shade out the herb/clover to an extent, similar applications to prg leys, will kill off herbs.</p><p></p><p>then there are the claims that a herbal ley, requires no extra N, it produces enough of its own. That's a very big claim. To achieve that, your soil microbiology etc, has to be correct, for the legume element to do that. A lot of grass land, is not at that stage, so cannot produce enough N to do that. A light application early, could be helpful.</p><p></p><p>to manage a h/ley, with the same methods as a prg/clover one, will not work, your herbs won't survive. Its a different mind set requirement. But, there is no restriction of fert, in the 'rules' for a herbal ley <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /> its what happens, if your herbal ley, is 'inspected', then its 'what constitutes a herbal ley'. And that could open a large can of worms.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="som farmer, post: 9223592, member: 86168"] prg and w clover, which make up the basis of most modern leys, both of which are relatively shallow rooted, N applications feed above ground growth, rather than root growth. as soon as you change to a h ley, you are changing to deep rooted plants, a fundamental difference, you are gaining minerals, and fertility, that wasn't available to use, with prg/clover. management for both, is very different, one responds to N, and the other doesn't, or to a much lower extent. N on a h/ley will encourage the grass element, which tends to shade out the herb/clover to an extent, similar applications to prg leys, will kill off herbs. then there are the claims that a herbal ley, requires no extra N, it produces enough of its own. That's a very big claim. To achieve that, your soil microbiology etc, has to be correct, for the legume element to do that. A lot of grass land, is not at that stage, so cannot produce enough N to do that. A light application early, could be helpful. to manage a h/ley, with the same methods as a prg/clover one, will not work, your herbs won't survive. Its a different mind set requirement. But, there is no restriction of fert, in the 'rules' for a herbal ley 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ its what happens, if your herbal ley, is 'inspected', then its 'what constitutes a herbal ley'. And that could open a large can of worms. [/QUOTE]
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