Items to drop from assurance schemes

[FarmyStu]

Rob.
Never a truer phase said.
Any of you inspectors can come to work with us for a month to see the real world of work.
PM for a start date.
Hrs 7am to 8 pm or later if a breakage to sort out. 7 days per week.
Hrs reduce into new year.
When you can fill in ACCS paper work in evenings after 9 hrs work.

I've done both. I'd rather the long hours working on a farm than doing audits any day.

The reports I generated could cost someone their career and I delivered them personally. Bad reports had to be poured over for accuracy as nobody ever accepted them without serious complaint. People briefed against you behind your back despite smiling to your face. It was a crap job. The only happy people were those that got good reports. And that is the point.

The next time you fail on something you consider pathetic remember this; The guy doing the audit will have been to places that passed. It doesn't work to claim you don't have the time etc etc when he knows that others manage. I never considered it fair to "let people off" for things that others had made the effort to get right.

 

[rob1]

I've done both. I'd rather the long hours working on a farm than doing audits any day.

The reports I generated could cost someone their career and I delivered them personally. Bad reports had to be poured over for accuracy as nobody ever accepted them without serious complaint. People briefed against you behind your back despite smiling to your face. It was a crap job. The only happy people were those that got good reports. And that is the point.

The next time you fail on something you consider pathetic remember this; The guy doing the audit will have been to places that passed. It doesn't work to claim you don't have the time etc etc when he knows that others manage. I never considered it fair to "let people off" for things that others had made the effort to get right.

Says it all really

There's getting it right according to letter of the regs and there's making it up so you appear to be getting it right. Most on here have admitted to being made liars by some of the stupid nit picking in these schemes in order to pass. There are those who try their hardest to produce high quality safe food while protecting the environment to the best of their ability and there are some who dont give a toss, some of each type pass some of each will fail, the good auditor should use their experience to judge into which category of the former each producer should be in and therefore whether they should pass. It is strange a 17 yr old can drive on the road after having passed a test in which he is allowed a number of errors and mistakes. Get one thing wrong in your assurance test and you could find your produce unsaleable

 

[topground]

I have not signed up to any scheme despite pressure from auctioneers to do so.
If I am subject to inspections by the officers of the enforcement agencies, be that RPA or Trading Standards I understand that I have a right of an appeal hearing should there be any formal action taken.
Is there a similar right of appeal against the decision of an assurance assessor or are they judge and jury in their own court?

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

I have not signed up to any scheme despite pressure from auctioneers to do so.
If I am subject to inspections by the officers of the enforcement agencies, be that RPA or Trading Standards I understand that I have a right of an appeal hearing should there be any formal action taken.
Is there a similar right of appeal against the decision of an assurance assessor or are they judge and jury in their own court?

You can always appeal against things but more often than not people will agree to do something they don't really agree with or believe in…just for a quiet life. Then you send in the photo evidence and hey presto, you're back in business to do what you like again for a year

 

[Honest john]

I've done both. I'd rather the long hours working on a farm than doing audits any day.

The reports I generated could cost someone their career and I delivered them personally. Bad reports had to be poured over for accuracy as nobody ever accepted them without serious complaint. People briefed against you behind your back despite smiling to your face. It was a crap job. The only happy people were those that got good reports. And that is the point.

The next time you fail on something you consider pathetic remember this; The guy doing the audit will have been to places that passed. It doesn't work to claim you don't have the time etc etc when he knows that others manage. I never considered it fair to "let people off" for things that others had made the effort to get right.

Dear Stu & Auditors.
I agree your job is not easy for sure you work hard. My point is, is there any point to your job. Really?

The market place will do the job for free I beleave.
Buyers will steer clear if your produce is not up to scratch. That is fear enough for the grower.

As an example my potato customers are all ringing for loads. Not ONE has asked if I am produce assured not now not ever.
No they trust me to do a good job. That's the market at work.

I see no point to it all, & it wares us down is a drag to our business & makes liers of us all.

It's time for common sense.

 

[jimmer]

i have to have a certificate to say i can mix feed stuffs on farm .....why

i have to record when i last changed teat cup liners ....why

i have to have chemical data sheets for chemicals i use ........absolutely right

i have to have records of parlour servicing .....why

i have to have a first aid kit available .........absolutely right

i have to supply full ration plans for all classes of stock .....why

more later

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

i have to have a certificate to say i can mix feed stuffs on farm .....why
Because without a certificate you will automatically do something wrong
i have to record when i last changed teat cup liners ….why
Because no record means you can't have changed them (although why is that relevant?)
i have to have chemical data sheets for chemicals i use ........absolutely right

i have to have records of parlour servicing .....why
No record obviously means you never serviced your parlour, although whether you did or didn't is obviously not affecting milk quality

i have to have a first aid kit available .........absolutely right

i have to supply full ration plans for all classes of stock .....why
Because without full technicolor plans you obviously feed illegal stuff to your cows

more later

You have assurance to thank for still being in business. Now you write stuff down in a panic the night before every assurance audit it stops you being that terrible farmer that the supermarkets must think you are.

"Thank god for assurance" he finally said just as Richard Burton placed the rats in the cage.

Doubleplusgood

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

I may now vanish without a trace??