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<blockquote data-quote="Danllan" data-source="post: 8146693" data-attributes="member: 8735"><p>Agreed. I can write truthfully that I have never groped or touched-up a woman / girl who wasn't my then '<em>partner</em>', and in those cases it worked both ways, and I think that is probably true for most other men - certainly friends I have discussed this with over the years have said as much.</p><p></p><p>But I have seen it done, many times at the 'lower' end of the scale, and have been involved in the defence of some quite serious examples. And this leads me to believe that a large majority of men are not and never have been likely to cause offence or injury in such a manner; but that there is a small and persistent minority that do so regularly.</p><p></p><p>I remember a couple of examples of men (boys, really) who were absolutely decent individuals, <u>until</u> they started on the lager. For whatever reason, their behaviour then changed to be threatening and intrusive, both to men and women. I don't doubt that this is a common thing among such offenders.</p><p></p><p>Something does need to be done; but as is so often the case, the law is already there to do it. Threatening behaviour, of whatever nature, is <u>already</u> a criminal act; touching someone without leave is at the least an assault, and - obviously - anything of a sexual nature is also illegal. So what should be done? 'Victims' must report what has been done - it's as simple as that.</p><p></p><p>Criminalising whistling, or comments such as 'give us a smile' is ludicrous, who will say when it was not meant to genuinely cheer? Are we to pretend that there ar no dishonest and vindictive women? Are there to be 'dashcams' on all our foreheads to make sure nothing can be done without a record existing? And instant fines... what about proof, defence etc.?</p><p></p><p>Of course, if it was my daughter on the receiving end I'd break the little sh!t's arm as quick as thinking, but that's why we have a justice system to remove potentially furious fathers like me from the loop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danllan, post: 8146693, member: 8735"] Agreed. I can write truthfully that I have never groped or touched-up a woman / girl who wasn't my then '[I]partner[/I]', and in those cases it worked both ways, and I think that is probably true for most other men - certainly friends I have discussed this with over the years have said as much. But I have seen it done, many times at the 'lower' end of the scale, and have been involved in the defence of some quite serious examples. And this leads me to believe that a large majority of men are not and never have been likely to cause offence or injury in such a manner; but that there is a small and persistent minority that do so regularly. I remember a couple of examples of men (boys, really) who were absolutely decent individuals, [U]until[/U] they started on the lager. For whatever reason, their behaviour then changed to be threatening and intrusive, both to men and women. I don't doubt that this is a common thing among such offenders. Something does need to be done; but as is so often the case, the law is already there to do it. Threatening behaviour, of whatever nature, is [U]already[/U] a criminal act; touching someone without leave is at the least an assault, and - obviously - anything of a sexual nature is also illegal. So what should be done? 'Victims' must report what has been done - it's as simple as that. Criminalising whistling, or comments such as 'give us a smile' is ludicrous, who will say when it was not meant to genuinely cheer? Are we to pretend that there ar no dishonest and vindictive women? Are there to be 'dashcams' on all our foreheads to make sure nothing can be done without a record existing? And instant fines... what about proof, defence etc.? Of course, if it was my daughter on the receiving end I'd break the little sh!t's arm as quick as thinking, but that's why we have a justice system to remove potentially furious fathers like me from the loop. [/QUOTE]
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