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Remoaners / rejoiners aren't all honest, and many are afraid to answer awkward questions...
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<blockquote data-quote="Danllan" data-source="post: 8918757" data-attributes="member: 8735"><p>Hang on, wind back a few pages and I wrote that much of what the EU 'assumed' in terms of 'competences' was, and quite deliberately, innocuous stuff that wasn't controversial and so remained unnoticed. And it was stuff that any government anywhere does, e.g. Oz, Japan, Canada, Chile etc. etc..</p><p></p><p>Therefore this sort of <em>governance (</em>and <u>that</u> is a careful choice of word<em>)</em> won't in great part change because it doesn't need to and, as far as I know, nobody argued that it should. </p><p></p><p>Only one aspect of governance needed to change to make an enormous difference in principal and practice to everything else, and that is with regard to the accountability of the lawmakers. There was and could be none while within the EEC / EC / EU, it is entirely so again now. This isn't for a moment to claim that the actual 'Government' at any given time and of any given party will be good, but it <u>will</u> be accountable. </p><p></p><p>Ag' is a fraction of the economy! Currently benefits for people who can / could work are being paid to 1.57m people, obviously less than the number of pensioners, but a hell of a lot in real terms, working out at over £6bn per year, more than three times England's BPS, well over £8bns together.</p><p></p><p>That's a lot of money, and if it is to be labelled as '<em>minimal</em>', then it's fair for me to point out that the cost of a new general hospital or an Army division is 1/8th of a minimal. Or that the whole sum would allow for every single nursing, medical and engineering student in the country to have free tuition and a non-repayable maintenance grant of over £10k each year.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I say we shouldn't be in the EU while membership requires it having primacy over us. Bin that, revert to a proper trading bloc rather than a dishonest wannabe super-state, and I'll vote to rejoin. </p><p></p><p>But we all know this is fantasy; it is intending to be a monolithic state, it already has primacy, it is seeking to expand its 'competences' all the time (it doesn't like the word sovereignty), with every ECJ ruling, every EC Directive and Regulation, and with every new 'treaty' - it didn't have the courage to keep the planned term 'Constitution'...</p><p></p><p>Free trade, yes, visa-free travel, yes, extradition, scientific cooperation etc. yes, yes, yes; but when they demand subservience and that our legislative prerogative be surrendered, no, no, no... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danllan, post: 8918757, member: 8735"] Hang on, wind back a few pages and I wrote that much of what the EU 'assumed' in terms of 'competences' was, and quite deliberately, innocuous stuff that wasn't controversial and so remained unnoticed. And it was stuff that any government anywhere does, e.g. Oz, Japan, Canada, Chile etc. etc.. Therefore this sort of [I]governance ([/I]and [U]that[/U] is a careful choice of word[I])[/I] won't in great part change because it doesn't need to and, as far as I know, nobody argued that it should. Only one aspect of governance needed to change to make an enormous difference in principal and practice to everything else, and that is with regard to the accountability of the lawmakers. There was and could be none while within the EEC / EC / EU, it is entirely so again now. This isn't for a moment to claim that the actual 'Government' at any given time and of any given party will be good, but it [U]will[/U] be accountable. Ag' is a fraction of the economy! Currently benefits for people who can / could work are being paid to 1.57m people, obviously less than the number of pensioners, but a hell of a lot in real terms, working out at over £6bn per year, more than three times England's BPS, well over £8bns together. That's a lot of money, and if it is to be labelled as '[I]minimal[/I]', then it's fair for me to point out that the cost of a new general hospital or an Army division is 1/8th of a minimal. Or that the whole sum would allow for every single nursing, medical and engineering student in the country to have free tuition and a non-repayable maintenance grant of over £10k each year. I say we shouldn't be in the EU while membership requires it having primacy over us. Bin that, revert to a proper trading bloc rather than a dishonest wannabe super-state, and I'll vote to rejoin. But we all know this is fantasy; it is intending to be a monolithic state, it already has primacy, it is seeking to expand its 'competences' all the time (it doesn't like the word sovereignty), with every ECJ ruling, every EC Directive and Regulation, and with every new 'treaty' - it didn't have the courage to keep the planned term 'Constitution'... Free trade, yes, visa-free travel, yes, extradition, scientific cooperation etc. yes, yes, yes; but when they demand subservience and that our legislative prerogative be surrendered, no, no, no... :) [/QUOTE]
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