Riddle me this...?

[ollie989898]

Met a person. Top notch doctor, several years post-graduate experience, has completed core surgical training, lots of research articles published, all the usual national/international presentations, now has heart set on a surgical speciality training place. Did the required exam and scored very highly (top 5% of all doctors in the UK who entered it).

My question is this..

In the combined total of the following areas:

The entirety of Wales.
Cornwall.
Devon.
Somerset
Gloucester.

How many ENT (ear,nose,throat) ST3 surgical training places do you think will be awarded in 2024?

 

[sahara]

6

 

[ollie989898]

6

We have a winner. Although, I would point out that this is not guaranteed- that will just be the maximum. There is a chance some regions above will not be given any slots.

So, when we are asking why there is such a backlist for treatment, you will know the answer- the government won't pay any more for training.

 

[sahara]

Blimey!

That's a bit rubbish!

 

[ollie989898]

Blimey!

That's a bit rubbish!

1 for the whole of Wales.

And this is not a unique problem to surgical specialties, either. If you're graduating 7000+ new doctors a year, where are they supposed to go after their two foundation years? If they don't get a job, can you really blame them for emigrating?

 

[Goweresque]

So, when we are asking why there is such a backlist for treatment, you will know the answer- the government won't pay any more for training.

Time to get the government out of healthcare then, at least the providing it bit. After all we don't give poor people a free food ration on the 'National Food Service', we give them money and let them buy whatever food they like with it. Time to do the same with healthcare, so how many ENT surgeons there are will be determined by supply and demand, not the pen of some bureaucrat.

 

[ollie989898]

Time to get the government out of healthcare then, at least the providing it bit. After all we don't give poor people a free food ration on the 'National Food Service', we give them money and let them buy whatever food they like with it. Time to do the same with healthcare, so how many ENT surgeons there are will be determined by supply and demand, not the pen of some bureaucrat.

I don't wish to be an ENT surgeon. But when there is a waiting list of 8 million and you can't get a dental or GP appointment you know something is badly wrong.

France and Germany manage just fine, as does Japan and they aren't spending massively more than the UK does. Whatever the answer, it needs sorting and pronto. There is no way I am devoting years of my life to this to become jobless at the end of foundation. I'll give it all up or emigrate.

 

[essex man]

Time to get the government out of healthcare then, at least the providing it bit. After all we don't give poor people a free food ration on the 'National Food Service', we give them money and let them buy whatever food they like with it. Time to do the same with healthcare, so how many ENT surgeons there are will be determined by supply and demand, not the pen of some bureaucrat.

Yep, the government can't run anything properly.
Time to end healthcare in uk in current plus end the loathsome, self-serving, closed shop of medical practice.
Give personal responsibility to everyone to seek and evaluate and pay for their own healthcare.
Millions are already killing themselves with food and alcohol having been trusted with responsibility for this intake..

 

[DrWazzock]

The sad fact is that organisations like the BMA hold the government and public to ransom.
It’s becoming similar with solicitors and media forcing councils to find accommodation for somebody with no means of support who decides to have 5 kids anyway. Really why is it everybody else’s (the states) duty to bail folk out who have made poor choices?