farmerm
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Do you want to fund such treatment facilities, pay another 20% on council tax perhaps?
Sewage discharge into rivers.
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Except the traffic levels have increased exponentially in those 50 years. Even the last 20.
Eh why would I want that?
Road reconstruction would be my first request and for no extra money ct goes up every year anyway.
farmerm
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Well the money has to come from somewhere... there is barely enough funds to plug the holes let alone reconstruct roads and add in new water catchment infrastructure.
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Water companies heading for re-nationalisation?
Thames Water boss says bills need to rise by 40%
The regulator, whose approval is needed for any price rises, has pushed back on substantial bill increases.
www.bbc.co.uk
Boat Race rowers told not to enter Thames due to high levels of E. coli
Crews have also been warned to cover blisters and wear footwear due to high levels of E. coli.
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Probably not do them any harm. They have some dirty little habits these Oxbridge types; I saw that documentary- Saltburn…Boat Race rowers told not to enter Thames due to high levels of E. coli
Crews have also been warned to cover blisters and wear footwear due to high levels of E. coli.www.bbc.co.uk
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Discussed this on news this morning and the chap said with a straight face that the rowers are going to have to stop dunking their cox in the water after the race. 🫢
well if they stopped wasting it ,they would be plenty, so so many examples of waste and total mismanagement, public service is a disgrace
farmerm
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I am afraid that will only ever get worse not better.
Boat Race rowers told not to enter Thames due to high levels of E. coli
Crews have also been warned to cover blisters and wear footwear due to high levels of E. coli.www.bbc.co.uk
I believe that both crews aren’t even going to try & row this year. Rather, they’ll go through the motions
I’ll get my coat
Water firm that drove truckloads of sewage to the sea may have broken law
The Environment Agency is investigating all sewage spills and the transportation of millions of litres of untreated sewage in Exmouth
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Can i tanker my slurry straight to the sea now when my pit is full without being fined?Water firm that drove truckloads of sewage to the sea may have broken law
The Environment Agency is investigating all sewage spills and the transportation of millions of litres of untreated sewage in Exmouth
When I was working on the M5 motorway bridge over the estuary at Exeter in around 1973 the sewage ship used to transport raw sewage out to sea underneath us several times a day.
High levels of drugs found in sea off south England coast
Study says marine life being harmed by prescription and recreational drugs in wastewater
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Must be all my cow's to blame for the cocaine in the river now as well....... interesting about the fish population being decimated from the pill, glad I won't have any sewage near the farm
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Exfarmer
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United Utilities are struggling to explain this one , especially seeing they have drastically reduced stocking in the hills above lake Windermere, but hey how we will blame it on all the hotels and campsites which also discharge into the lake as they probably have for a very long time.
CLEAN IT UP
Adam Vaughan
, Environment Editor
Tuesday April 09 2024, 12.01am, The Times
Feargal Sharkey, the Undertones singer, is a leading campaigner against water pollution
Feargal Sharkey has accused a water company of destroying England’s largest lake by “poisoning” it with sewage.
The water campaigner and former Undertones singer claimed the pollution of Windermere, which has had toxic algal blooms in recent years, was due to corporate greed at United Utilities. At a protest in Cumbria he also accused the Environment Agency of failing to act.
Meanwhile, ministers have announced that £11 million from water company fines will be funnelled into a long-delayed fund to restore waterways.
Sharkey visited Windermere on Monday for the 23rd week of a Greta Thunberg-style “sewage strike” organised by Matt Staniek, a 27-year-old campaigner.
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Matt Staniek explains how raw sewage pollutes Windermere
“This beautiful idyllic setting behind me is being destroyed. It’s being poisoned by sewage. It now turns green during the summer. This is one of the most extraordinary lakes,” Sharkey told Good Morning Britain. “It’s being destroyed by corporate greed, profiteering and an utter failure of the regulator to properly protect this lake, like every river in this country. That is horrendous. That’s got to stop.”
The Save Windermere campaign run by Staniek last year involved the comedians Steve Coogan, Lee Mack and Paul Whitehouse, who attended a rally over water pollution in the area.
Based on Environment Agency data published last month, Staniek calculated raw sewage was leaked into the Windermere catchment for 9,000 hours last year, from seven sites run by United Utilities. He has been calling for a real-time map of the discharges, akin to the one published by Thames Water. Water firms have a legal obligation to produce one by the end of the year.
Tests of waterways running into the Windermere by the charity WildFish have found insect numbers are as much as two thirds lowerdownstream of sewage works.
“We know United Utilities has been polluting our lake for decades and we know the Environment Agency is failing to hold them accountable for this pollution,” Staniek said. The young activist has protested outside the company’s information centre in Windermere at 9am every Monday since last November. Initially alone, he has since been joined by others, often in the pouring rain.
Sharkey addresses a protest against sewage in Windermere
MARTIN POWELL-DAVIES
United Utilities (UU) said it had invested £45 million to halve the phosphorus entering the lake from its sites.
A spokesman said: “We have ambitious plans to do even more. A further £41 million is being invested at four sites to halve the phosphorus levels from those. It is important to understand the complexity of the situation at lake Windermere. There are a total of 107 discharge permits into the lake and only 18 belong to UU. The other 89 discharge permits belong to hotels, campsites and businesses and many treat sewage to a lower standard than UU.”
The Times Clean it Up campaign is calling for greater investment to curb sewage pollution. The regulator Ofwat will decide in summer whether to approve £96 billion of spending across the water sector between 2025 and 2030.
Windermere as viewed from Loughrigg Fell in the central Lake District
ALEX WEST/GETTY IMAGES
From late July, money from a new government Water Restoration Fund should start being distributed to conservation groups to help clean up polluted waterways. The Times reported in February that 15 months after being promised the fund did exist, there was no timetable for its establishment and steering groups to establish it had not even met.
However, Steve Barclay, the environment secretary, said groups could begin applying for £11 million in fines collected since April 2022 and hypothecated for the fund. Previously the money had gone straight to the Treasury.
About £3.3 million was raised from fines and penalties levied on Thames Water, whose parent company last week defaulted on a debt repayment last week. A further £3.1 million came from Anglian Water and £2.2 million from South West Water. The rest came from Yorkshire Water and United Utilities.
“I know how important our precious waterways are to local communities and to nature, which is why we’re taking tough action,” Barclay said.
An Environment Agency spokesperson said: “We are absolutely committed to improving the water quality in Lake Windermere.”
CLEAN IT UP
Clean It Up campaign one year on: what progress has been made?
February 11 2024, 6.00pm
Adam Vaughan
, Environment Editor
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...auses-stink-rural-towns-clean-it-up-pxfb29zzm
CLEAN IT UP
Feargal Sharkey: Greed has poisoned England’s biggest lake
Windermere sewage protests are mounting as the government promises £11m for waterways, funded by supplier finesAdam Vaughan
, Environment Editor
Tuesday April 09 2024, 12.01am, The Times
Feargal Sharkey, the Undertones singer, is a leading campaigner against water pollution
Feargal Sharkey has accused a water company of destroying England’s largest lake by “poisoning” it with sewage.
The water campaigner and former Undertones singer claimed the pollution of Windermere, which has had toxic algal blooms in recent years, was due to corporate greed at United Utilities. At a protest in Cumbria he also accused the Environment Agency of failing to act.
Meanwhile, ministers have announced that £11 million from water company fines will be funnelled into a long-delayed fund to restore waterways.
Sharkey visited Windermere on Monday for the 23rd week of a Greta Thunberg-style “sewage strike” organised by Matt Staniek, a 27-year-old campaigner.
Play Video
Matt Staniek explains how raw sewage pollutes Windermere
“This beautiful idyllic setting behind me is being destroyed. It’s being poisoned by sewage. It now turns green during the summer. This is one of the most extraordinary lakes,” Sharkey told Good Morning Britain. “It’s being destroyed by corporate greed, profiteering and an utter failure of the regulator to properly protect this lake, like every river in this country. That is horrendous. That’s got to stop.”
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The Save Windermere campaign run by Staniek last year involved the comedians Steve Coogan, Lee Mack and Paul Whitehouse, who attended a rally over water pollution in the area.
Based on Environment Agency data published last month, Staniek calculated raw sewage was leaked into the Windermere catchment for 9,000 hours last year, from seven sites run by United Utilities. He has been calling for a real-time map of the discharges, akin to the one published by Thames Water. Water firms have a legal obligation to produce one by the end of the year.
Tests of waterways running into the Windermere by the charity WildFish have found insect numbers are as much as two thirds lowerdownstream of sewage works.
“We know United Utilities has been polluting our lake for decades and we know the Environment Agency is failing to hold them accountable for this pollution,” Staniek said. The young activist has protested outside the company’s information centre in Windermere at 9am every Monday since last November. Initially alone, he has since been joined by others, often in the pouring rain.
Sharkey addresses a protest against sewage in Windermere
MARTIN POWELL-DAVIES
United Utilities (UU) said it had invested £45 million to halve the phosphorus entering the lake from its sites.
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A spokesman said: “We have ambitious plans to do even more. A further £41 million is being invested at four sites to halve the phosphorus levels from those. It is important to understand the complexity of the situation at lake Windermere. There are a total of 107 discharge permits into the lake and only 18 belong to UU. The other 89 discharge permits belong to hotels, campsites and businesses and many treat sewage to a lower standard than UU.”
The Times Clean it Up campaign is calling for greater investment to curb sewage pollution. The regulator Ofwat will decide in summer whether to approve £96 billion of spending across the water sector between 2025 and 2030.
Windermere as viewed from Loughrigg Fell in the central Lake District
ALEX WEST/GETTY IMAGES
From late July, money from a new government Water Restoration Fund should start being distributed to conservation groups to help clean up polluted waterways. The Times reported in February that 15 months after being promised the fund did exist, there was no timetable for its establishment and steering groups to establish it had not even met.
However, Steve Barclay, the environment secretary, said groups could begin applying for £11 million in fines collected since April 2022 and hypothecated for the fund. Previously the money had gone straight to the Treasury.
About £3.3 million was raised from fines and penalties levied on Thames Water, whose parent company last week defaulted on a debt repayment last week. A further £3.1 million came from Anglian Water and £2.2 million from South West Water. The rest came from Yorkshire Water and United Utilities.
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“I know how important our precious waterways are to local communities and to nature, which is why we’re taking tough action,” Barclay said.
An Environment Agency spokesperson said: “We are absolutely committed to improving the water quality in Lake Windermere.”
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Clean It Up campaign one year on: what progress has been made?
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, Environment Editor
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...auses-stink-rural-towns-clean-it-up-pxfb29zzm
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I don't have much sympathy to United utilities however it would seem that there is quite a bit of redevelopment and extensions being built and limited amount of new build housing going on around Windermere if each of those new extension created an extra load on the sewage system then it would not seem unreasonable to stop any new development till the sewage system catches up with the demand for it ?
Also If some of the sewage pollution issues relate specifically to the qty of phosphates in the water and the resulting algae that grows on it how much would the mass adoption of no phosphate washing up liquid and washing detergent make in an area like Windermere where the long term solution is likely many years away , these detergents are commonly available in almost all supermarkets and there use could be adopted pretty much overnight if need be, and you assume must help ease the issue a bit but no one ever seem to mention them as part of the answer to the issue ?
Also If some of the sewage pollution issues relate specifically to the qty of phosphates in the water and the resulting algae that grows on it how much would the mass adoption of no phosphate washing up liquid and washing detergent make in an area like Windermere where the long term solution is likely many years away , these detergents are commonly available in almost all supermarkets and there use could be adopted pretty much overnight if need be, and you assume must help ease the issue a bit but no one ever seem to mention them as part of the answer to the issue ?
Exfarmer
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The problem is, no matter what people say the problem is us. Easy to blame the water companies, but unless we pay the price for cleaning the water but continue to discharge all these products this issue will not go away. The vast quantity sold every week is probably 50 times what it was 50 yrears ago. My mother had a top loading washing machine and each week would wash the clean stuff first then take it out and put more lots into the same water untill it was fairly claggy and all the overalls went in. Then she would rinse them all out afterwards in the same order.
now our machine seems to go most days cos it is so easy but powder usage must be vaast compared. Many people then were still washing by hand!