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<blockquote data-quote="J Cookson" data-source="post: 6334954" data-attributes="member: 134556"><p>If all the UK Abattoirs are Halal Certified (as detailed in earleir posts), who pays for that Certification? I am fully aware that Every Abattoir is authorised to conduct Halal/Kosher Slaughter because it is the nature of their work but to become a registered Halal Certified Abattoir or indeed a Kosher Certified Abattoir costs money which is usually Volume based or a recurring annual fee. </p><p>A recent report stated JBS group had paid almost £2 Million in Halal Certification fees over a short period. Who pays for that Certification and what is the average many abattoirs are willing to pay in the UK? </p><p>Isn't this fee added to the pricing of Slaughter costs as part of the Abattoir pricing strategy and doesn't this mean all consumers of that Meat will have to pay for that Certification regardless of their own religion (I believe this is what many consumers have issues with especially with Kosher meat as it is clear this is being subsidised by non jewish consumers who eat the carcass remnants not cionsumed by Jewish consumers because they don't just throw that meat away - or profits are affected for abattoirs/farmers/meat wholesalers alike)?</p><p></p><p>But if the Religious Slaughter criteria is to be adhered too then don't all animals being slaughtered have to slaughtered by a Muslim fully conversant with Islamic Religious laws or a Jewish approved Shochet? Some abattoirs bring in these people for special occasions or have private days or nominated days for Halal/Kosher slaughter but with Halal Slaughter becoming the default for most Abattoirs, does this mean Abattoir jobs are being taken away from non-religious workers or do abattoirs employ 2 lines of slaughter workers?</p><p></p><p>There are strict rules with Halal/Kosher for example the slaughter of Pigs cannot be conducted at an abattoir that has been Halal Certified (depending on the Halal Certification provider). what effect will this have in the long run for British Pig Farmers as the Religious Slaughter criteria starts to control abattoirs operations?</p><p></p><p>The meat has to be segregated from meat that is not to be consumed by either Jews/Muslims so extra additional starage areas are required (these are audited for such certifications). Any meat which comes into contact with meat not for consumption by muslims will become Haram (un permissible for Muslims). That meat automatically becomes non-Halal or Non-Kosher if integrity is to be maintained to comply with specific reiligious criteria (this is the case even if the animal had received pre-stun or not). Abattoirs will not just throw a carcass away so it gets passed on to the non-religious consumer market or profits are lost and this is very often without labelling or specific identifications (Mutch Meats admitted this a few years ago).</p><p></p><p>If this religious slaughter is believed to be issues only for the bigotted (as referred to in earlier posts) then why is there a problem with labelling Religiously Slaughtered Meats as such whether Pre-Stunned or Not. What is the Meat Industry afraid off? Is it because they are afraid of being Labelled Islamaphobic or Anti-Semetic surely not? If Islamic and Jewish consumers paid the price for their choice of Slaughter wouldn't that be a fair position for all consumers? These minority religions have played the race card before many times on this subject matter and is why labelling has not been approved but should all Meat consumers be held to ransom by this?</p><p></p><p>Any views on this would be appreciated because it would be interested to understand the perspectives..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J Cookson, post: 6334954, member: 134556"] If all the UK Abattoirs are Halal Certified (as detailed in earleir posts), who pays for that Certification? I am fully aware that Every Abattoir is authorised to conduct Halal/Kosher Slaughter because it is the nature of their work but to become a registered Halal Certified Abattoir or indeed a Kosher Certified Abattoir costs money which is usually Volume based or a recurring annual fee. A recent report stated JBS group had paid almost £2 Million in Halal Certification fees over a short period. Who pays for that Certification and what is the average many abattoirs are willing to pay in the UK? Isn't this fee added to the pricing of Slaughter costs as part of the Abattoir pricing strategy and doesn't this mean all consumers of that Meat will have to pay for that Certification regardless of their own religion (I believe this is what many consumers have issues with especially with Kosher meat as it is clear this is being subsidised by non jewish consumers who eat the carcass remnants not cionsumed by Jewish consumers because they don't just throw that meat away - or profits are affected for abattoirs/farmers/meat wholesalers alike)? But if the Religious Slaughter criteria is to be adhered too then don't all animals being slaughtered have to slaughtered by a Muslim fully conversant with Islamic Religious laws or a Jewish approved Shochet? Some abattoirs bring in these people for special occasions or have private days or nominated days for Halal/Kosher slaughter but with Halal Slaughter becoming the default for most Abattoirs, does this mean Abattoir jobs are being taken away from non-religious workers or do abattoirs employ 2 lines of slaughter workers? There are strict rules with Halal/Kosher for example the slaughter of Pigs cannot be conducted at an abattoir that has been Halal Certified (depending on the Halal Certification provider). what effect will this have in the long run for British Pig Farmers as the Religious Slaughter criteria starts to control abattoirs operations? The meat has to be segregated from meat that is not to be consumed by either Jews/Muslims so extra additional starage areas are required (these are audited for such certifications). Any meat which comes into contact with meat not for consumption by muslims will become Haram (un permissible for Muslims). That meat automatically becomes non-Halal or Non-Kosher if integrity is to be maintained to comply with specific reiligious criteria (this is the case even if the animal had received pre-stun or not). Abattoirs will not just throw a carcass away so it gets passed on to the non-religious consumer market or profits are lost and this is very often without labelling or specific identifications (Mutch Meats admitted this a few years ago). If this religious slaughter is believed to be issues only for the bigotted (as referred to in earlier posts) then why is there a problem with labelling Religiously Slaughtered Meats as such whether Pre-Stunned or Not. What is the Meat Industry afraid off? Is it because they are afraid of being Labelled Islamaphobic or Anti-Semetic surely not? If Islamic and Jewish consumers paid the price for their choice of Slaughter wouldn't that be a fair position for all consumers? These minority religions have played the race card before many times on this subject matter and is why labelling has not been approved but should all Meat consumers be held to ransom by this? Any views on this would be appreciated because it would be interested to understand the perspectives.. [/QUOTE]
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