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<blockquote data-quote="J Cookson" data-source="post: 6335214" data-attributes="member: 134556"><p>Unfortunately it is not passed onto the appropriate market due to standardisation of Religious Slaughter methodology used.... i.e Employing of Muslim Slaughtermen for Slaughter or indeed faking Religious Slaughter (in the eyes of Sharia compliance) where in particular Poultry Abattoirs employ a Muslim Employee to switch on and operate conveyor lines just so they can claim a Muslim recited a prayer at the time of slaughter (bizarrely one prayer is used for the duration of that employee being on duty stint (when someone comes to take over as a relief another prayer is recited to cover that employees stint on the production line - this is documented). Yet a Halal Certification fee is being paid for that production line (this is because of certain Halal Certification bodies accepting practicality for money). But in the end the carcass, although slaughtered the exact same way is processed (using modern facilities and automation to strip those carcasses minimising human contact whenever possible) can be packaged in exactly the same way with the addition of a Halal Label where required. Yet this same process requires payment to a Halal Certification Body which is added to all running costs of that plant or even the business depending on what was certified. Indeed many Halal Certification bodies assess the business and look at the highest method of extracting fees. In some businesses it is 2p per bird (info from Halal actual Certification body) and when you consider how many birds are slaughtered in modern poulty abattoirs, it soon adds up as does the costs to all consumers regardless of faith as they do not add those costs only to Halal as it is the plant that is certified! But even if they did the business would pass that cost across the whole production cost as it makes business sense which is why meat/Poultry considered as Religious Slaughtered is as cheap or even cheaper to consumers of that religion. I understand the logistics of separation but it is not unacheivable to completely segregate religious slaughtered products and charge accordingly but then we have the Race Cards being played to not have those increase of costs passed down to those religions (documents are available to prove this is the case).</p><p>Currently in the case of Poultry Slaughter the use of CAS (CASK) is considered unacceptable for Religious Slaughter because the method is considered an IRRECOVERABLE STUN which means the bird will not recover/revive so technically is dead (as is the same as Full Captive Bolt for Cattle). That is the one main constant in all Religious Slaughter Certifications in that the Animal MUST BE ALIVE FOR SLAUGHTER/STICKING and in the case for stunned Religious Slaughter, it has to be able to proved it can revive (although there are strict prohibitions to allow recovery after recoverable stuns). But the question is when will this become acceptable for Religious Certification because it will come and the whole range of Slaughter will become Certifiable (I believe for money profiteering and not because of religious requiremnts).</p><p>This is indeed why many believe Electrical Stunning of Lamb/Sheep and indeed Beef Cattle are increasingly being Electrically stunned to ensure the Animal Remains alive by ensuring the method of Electronarcosis does not induce Cardiac Arrest, so they can pass off that product as Halal when required. </p><p>Isn't this why CAS is being used as a far more humane way to stun (especially with pigs when these cannot be used for Halal/Kosher). Why are Abattoirs and researchers looking dfor technolgy that does not Stun-to-Kill but effectively Stun-to-Paralyse a term often used in the industry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J Cookson, post: 6335214, member: 134556"] Unfortunately it is not passed onto the appropriate market due to standardisation of Religious Slaughter methodology used.... i.e Employing of Muslim Slaughtermen for Slaughter or indeed faking Religious Slaughter (in the eyes of Sharia compliance) where in particular Poultry Abattoirs employ a Muslim Employee to switch on and operate conveyor lines just so they can claim a Muslim recited a prayer at the time of slaughter (bizarrely one prayer is used for the duration of that employee being on duty stint (when someone comes to take over as a relief another prayer is recited to cover that employees stint on the production line - this is documented). Yet a Halal Certification fee is being paid for that production line (this is because of certain Halal Certification bodies accepting practicality for money). But in the end the carcass, although slaughtered the exact same way is processed (using modern facilities and automation to strip those carcasses minimising human contact whenever possible) can be packaged in exactly the same way with the addition of a Halal Label where required. Yet this same process requires payment to a Halal Certification Body which is added to all running costs of that plant or even the business depending on what was certified. Indeed many Halal Certification bodies assess the business and look at the highest method of extracting fees. In some businesses it is 2p per bird (info from Halal actual Certification body) and when you consider how many birds are slaughtered in modern poulty abattoirs, it soon adds up as does the costs to all consumers regardless of faith as they do not add those costs only to Halal as it is the plant that is certified! But even if they did the business would pass that cost across the whole production cost as it makes business sense which is why meat/Poultry considered as Religious Slaughtered is as cheap or even cheaper to consumers of that religion. I understand the logistics of separation but it is not unacheivable to completely segregate religious slaughtered products and charge accordingly but then we have the Race Cards being played to not have those increase of costs passed down to those religions (documents are available to prove this is the case). Currently in the case of Poultry Slaughter the use of CAS (CASK) is considered unacceptable for Religious Slaughter because the method is considered an IRRECOVERABLE STUN which means the bird will not recover/revive so technically is dead (as is the same as Full Captive Bolt for Cattle). That is the one main constant in all Religious Slaughter Certifications in that the Animal MUST BE ALIVE FOR SLAUGHTER/STICKING and in the case for stunned Religious Slaughter, it has to be able to proved it can revive (although there are strict prohibitions to allow recovery after recoverable stuns). But the question is when will this become acceptable for Religious Certification because it will come and the whole range of Slaughter will become Certifiable (I believe for money profiteering and not because of religious requiremnts). This is indeed why many believe Electrical Stunning of Lamb/Sheep and indeed Beef Cattle are increasingly being Electrically stunned to ensure the Animal Remains alive by ensuring the method of Electronarcosis does not induce Cardiac Arrest, so they can pass off that product as Halal when required. Isn't this why CAS is being used as a far more humane way to stun (especially with pigs when these cannot be used for Halal/Kosher). Why are Abattoirs and researchers looking dfor technolgy that does not Stun-to-Kill but effectively Stun-to-Paralyse a term often used in the industry. [/QUOTE]
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