Straw removal or chop costings.

[Turra farmer]

@Turra farmer in an NVZ N-max is 180kg for standard yield of 6.5t/ha, then 20kgN per tonne of yield above that. So N-max for a 9t crop is 230kg.

So it's quite legal to push the N and the yield. Just a matter of keeping it standing up!

As you say, lower straw yields on spring barley. Between 4 and 8 x 200kg bales per acre here, 6.5 bales would be about the norm for a 2.9t crop. All goes to pot if we get either drought or waterlogging.

Do you have to verify the additional yield ? I'm a new business and they wouldn't accept historic yields as its a sewers the business

 

[Grass And Grain]

Not certain, but I think you need to keep yield records for justification.

You need to start somewhere though, so soil type might be a good justification to expect to exceed standard yield. In fact, a business must be intending to grow 7.5t/ha, otherwise not worth bothering.

 

[dannewhouse]

how would us livestock folk go on? we very rarely weigh accurately, and how do you account for better and worse fields if judging it by net farm?
we might weigh an odd trailer or 2 per year and judge it form there

 

[warksfarmer]

If anyone is interested, Belport is now offering to purchase straw on contract in the swath nationwide.

By offering to purchase on a contract at appealing prices we believe we can turn straw from a bi-product to a commodity and an interesting new market for forward-thinking arable farmers to explore. Price is currently circa £75 per/HA with yield linked premium's and 30-day payment terms.

For more information feel free to email me on: [email protected]

What are your links to Jersey?

 

[warksfarmer]

Axial flows are supposed to be the budget option! Since when have they been Lexion money?

Demo’ed a 8240 axial flow last harvest in the same field as our 770tt and they are virtually identical machines. I’d say the 770 would have the edge over an entire season but there isn’t much in it. Axial flow was a very nice machine and clearly would be cheaper to run from a maintenance point of view.

Price wise if you’ve got a combine with far less moving parts than another you automatically think it should be cheaper.

 

[ollie989898]

Demo’ed a 8240 axial flow last harvest in the same field as our 770tt and they are virtually identical machines. I’d say the 770 would have the edge over an entire season but there isn’t much in it. Axial flow was a very nice machine and clearly would be cheaper to run from a maintenance point of view.

Price wise if you’ve got a combine with far less moving parts than another you automatically think it should be cheaper.

Heck I never thought an Axial flow would hold a candle to a big Lexion. That must be some machine.

 

[Brisel]

The demo AF I had would never have kept up with a 770 but it had the wrong concaves in really. A good driver might have got more out of it too. The Redekop is a must have because you'd never want to trail the straw behind one of these! The baler left half the swath because it was too badly broken to be picked up.

 

[Mr Charisma]

The demo AF I had would never have kept up with a 770 but it had the wrong concaves in really. A good driver might have got more out of it too. The Redekop is a must have because you'd never want to trail the straw behind one of these! The baler left half the swath because it was too badly broken to be picked up.

Bloody hell Brisel you can't say that on here ,,,,,,, I was shut in a cupboard with only bread and water for 10 days for saying that sometimes you couldn't pick up a swath of straw from out the back of a AF ,,,,,,,, there's some very very touchy AF users on here you know.

 

[Brisel]

Bloody hell Brisel you can't say that on here ,,,,,,, I was shut in a cupboard with only bread and water for 10 days for saying that sometimes you couldn't pick up a swath of straw from out the back of a AF ,,,,,,,, there's some very very touchy AF users on here you know.

Feck it. Live dangerously!

Axial Flows murder straw compared to straw walkers or hybrid rotaries. Great simple combines and one of the world's all time best sellers for good reason. Still a bugger to bale behind when you've got agressive concaves in, the straw is ultra ripe, its 25 degrees of hot sunshine (for about 10 days at the end of last August!) and the driver (me) doesn't have the perfect set up and is impatient to crack on. Even @gone up the hill would have turned his nose up at the straw behind that

 

[warksfarmer]

The demo AF I had would never have kept up with a 770 but it had the wrong concaves in really. A good driver might have got more out of it too. The Redekop is a must have because you'd never want to trail the straw behind one of these! The baler left half the swath because it was too badly broken to be picked up.

Well same fields at the same time and I and another driver swapped about a bit. We wiped out about 90 acres in 4 hours. The AF was set for output so the straw wasn’t great to be honest though. Had we set it for straw then it would of been at the expense of output without doubt but for somebody who wasn’t interested in straw and just wanted output it was a good match for a 770 without doubt. Only gripe was the noise of the grain hiting the slide in the tank. Such a simple combine really and you can see why people keep them a long while as there’s hardly anything to go wrong on the threshing side of things. They shouldn’t be priced in lexion territory though.

 

[ollie989898]

Fantastic. Sounds like the sort of thing even I could manage to drive.

 

[ajd132]

I tried the biggest AF compared to my old series 1 780 and it was useless. The price difference was certainly not worth the output difference.

 

[warksfarmer]

I tried the biggest AF compared to my old series 1 780 and it was useless. The price difference was certainly not worth the output difference.

In terms of output over a season then I’d say the axial flow and lexion sit as follows 8240, 770, 9240, 780. The combination of output and straw quality would go to the lexion without doubt but if straw isn’t an issue then I can only speak as we found and I’d stand by what I said the 8240 and 770 are not to dissimilar. Our 770 was running a 35ft header and the axial flow a 30ft header but the axial flow was travelling 1.5km/hr faster. Samples were identical and losses were identical as in none really.

If the axial flow prices are close to lexion prices then no you wouldn’t buy one I suppose.

 

[wuddy]

1.5 to 2.3 ton of straw per acre seems high , what sort of barley leaves that ?

I was baling just over 3 (500kg) bales to the acre in infinity winter barley last year.

 

[wuddy]

The demo AF I had would never have kept up with a 770 but it had the wrong concaves in really. A good driver might have got more out of it too. The Redekop is a must have because you'd never want to trail the straw behind one of these! The baler left half the swath because it was too badly broken to be picked up.

Baled behind Case’s demo AF last year and very little difference in straw quality compared to our 9.90! All down to setup. Baled winter barley behind a lexion that was like dust and struggled to handle the bales! Another place I bale at run four CR’s straw got rained on then dried out except every fourth swath was still wet which had to be down to combine settings.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

What did you all do when their was no ban on burning .burn all your p& k ?

 

[Brisel]

Most P and K stayed in the field in the ash. Some would have gone in the smoke.