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The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.
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<blockquote data-quote="Osca" data-source="post: 3332384" data-attributes="member: 11501"><p>You were up even later than me last night posting that - I reckon I must have hit a nerve too!</p><p></p><p>I suppose if you believe in man is responsible for climate change, the tone of the video will be hard to swallow; but it is not claiming to be a discussion of both sides; it is trying to refute what it sees as a lie and in some cases science so bad that it becomes fraudulent - a scam. </p><p></p><p>It is worth following up some of the people included; the address to the House of Lords by the malaria expert is really interesting; one wouldn't think that the potential spread of malaria would be something to be misrepresented and fought over, or the balanced analysis of an authority in the field ignored and his input expunged from an important report because he points out that malaria is not necessarily a tropical disease and therefore not necessarily going to spread as as a result of global warming - yet not only was his input removed, but his name was used to support the false and innacurate information published in it's place. If this sort of falsification - this need for scientists to say the Right Thing or be over-ridden - has happened about something secondary to climate change itself, what has gone on with the evidence for or against the central argument? I get the impression that this video was giving scientists like this one a voice as the pro-man-made change lobbyists had denied them.</p><p></p><p>So dstudent, apart from the tone, what do you object to? </p><p>The point about the ice-cores and carbon dioxide release following, not causing, heating seems entirely valid.</p><p>The sunspot thing is interesting - are you saying it is wrong? Has it been credibly refuted?</p><p>The relative unimportance of carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas as opposed to water vapour - hence the relative unimportance of man's tiny emission of it - that seems irrefutable.</p><p></p><p>As for calling you names - it was your attitude and response I criticised in general terms. If that feels personal, consider that a patronising "Dear" also feels personal, and a rubbishing of someone's contribution on the grounds of it being "vomit-inducing" etc. etc. seems judgemental. I suggest you go back and read your own first response and see how you would feel if you posted a video that seemed to be making a good point only to have it, and with it your own judgement, rubbished like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Osca, post: 3332384, member: 11501"] You were up even later than me last night posting that - I reckon I must have hit a nerve too! I suppose if you believe in man is responsible for climate change, the tone of the video will be hard to swallow; but it is not claiming to be a discussion of both sides; it is trying to refute what it sees as a lie and in some cases science so bad that it becomes fraudulent - a scam. It is worth following up some of the people included; the address to the House of Lords by the malaria expert is really interesting; one wouldn't think that the potential spread of malaria would be something to be misrepresented and fought over, or the balanced analysis of an authority in the field ignored and his input expunged from an important report because he points out that malaria is not necessarily a tropical disease and therefore not necessarily going to spread as as a result of global warming - yet not only was his input removed, but his name was used to support the false and innacurate information published in it's place. If this sort of falsification - this need for scientists to say the Right Thing or be over-ridden - has happened about something secondary to climate change itself, what has gone on with the evidence for or against the central argument? I get the impression that this video was giving scientists like this one a voice as the pro-man-made change lobbyists had denied them. So dstudent, apart from the tone, what do you object to? The point about the ice-cores and carbon dioxide release following, not causing, heating seems entirely valid. The sunspot thing is interesting - are you saying it is wrong? Has it been credibly refuted? The relative unimportance of carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas as opposed to water vapour - hence the relative unimportance of man's tiny emission of it - that seems irrefutable. As for calling you names - it was your attitude and response I criticised in general terms. If that feels personal, consider that a patronising "Dear" also feels personal, and a rubbishing of someone's contribution on the grounds of it being "vomit-inducing" etc. etc. seems judgemental. I suggest you go back and read your own first response and see how you would feel if you posted a video that seemed to be making a good point only to have it, and with it your own judgement, rubbished like that. [/QUOTE]
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