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<blockquote data-quote="ollie989898" data-source="post: 7389522" data-attributes="member: 54866"><p>You need to think about the state of the car industry and engage your brain a bit.</p><p></p><p>Right now you have a situation where car companies will basically need to scrap all their tooling and technology that they have invested billions into, because the next generation of cars won't use any of it. Electric vehicles use off the shelf electric motors and batteries. This is established technology. They have no gearbox, no engine, no fuel tank, no valvetrain, no engine block, no exhaust, no clutch. Virtually all car makers have invested billions of dollars in the machinery, skills and tooling to make these things. The question is ok, at what point do we switch over then? This year? Next year? 10 years time?</p><p></p><p>It will be Armageddon for some of them and names are already largely disappearing from the European marketplace. Mitsubishi are abandoning it, some of the American makers have said the same. The EU has insisted on tight emission controls for decades and many companies have sunk billions into this. Now companies are faced with having to produce a new product which makes use of none of this. Even if their workforces are reskilled into making electric motors, these are so simple compared to an engine that it's a joke.</p><p></p><p>About the only thing car makers will retain is the machinery needed to weld car bodies together and paint them. After that, it's all new. This shift in the fundamental design of cars will render 90% of their manufacturing capacity redundant.</p><p></p><p>Hydrogen? From where, exactly? You think car makers will be changing to fuel cells or even back to engines burning hydrogen in the face of electric vehicles? Why in the fudge would I, as a car user/owner do that? Electric cars already exist with a 300 mile range, charge in reasonable periods of time and I can charge it a home for fudge all on off peak electricity. Why in the hell would I opt for a vehicle fuelled on hydrogen? What advantage does it give me? An electric car has virtually no moving parts, no belts, no gearbox, no oil. You don't even use the brakes that often. There is nothing to go wrong or wear out besides the batteries which are apparently good for 100,000 miles easily according to many users anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ollie989898, post: 7389522, member: 54866"] You need to think about the state of the car industry and engage your brain a bit. Right now you have a situation where car companies will basically need to scrap all their tooling and technology that they have invested billions into, because the next generation of cars won't use any of it. Electric vehicles use off the shelf electric motors and batteries. This is established technology. They have no gearbox, no engine, no fuel tank, no valvetrain, no engine block, no exhaust, no clutch. Virtually all car makers have invested billions of dollars in the machinery, skills and tooling to make these things. The question is ok, at what point do we switch over then? This year? Next year? 10 years time? It will be Armageddon for some of them and names are already largely disappearing from the European marketplace. Mitsubishi are abandoning it, some of the American makers have said the same. The EU has insisted on tight emission controls for decades and many companies have sunk billions into this. Now companies are faced with having to produce a new product which makes use of none of this. Even if their workforces are reskilled into making electric motors, these are so simple compared to an engine that it's a joke. About the only thing car makers will retain is the machinery needed to weld car bodies together and paint them. After that, it's all new. This shift in the fundamental design of cars will render 90% of their manufacturing capacity redundant. Hydrogen? From where, exactly? You think car makers will be changing to fuel cells or even back to engines burning hydrogen in the face of electric vehicles? Why in the fudge would I, as a car user/owner do that? Electric cars already exist with a 300 mile range, charge in reasonable periods of time and I can charge it a home for fudge all on off peak electricity. Why in the hell would I opt for a vehicle fuelled on hydrogen? What advantage does it give me? An electric car has virtually no moving parts, no belts, no gearbox, no oil. You don't even use the brakes that often. There is nothing to go wrong or wear out besides the batteries which are apparently good for 100,000 miles easily according to many users anyway. [/QUOTE]
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