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What's a fair wage on a family farm?
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<blockquote data-quote="gone up the hill" data-source="post: 3639720" data-attributes="member: 1048"><p>I totally agree with you that 18k a year is NO good for either a single person living on their own or someone with a family but the reality is that farming returns currently mean that many farmers take out this or even less ( even including things that are paid by the business in directly ) a year, its a good wage on current returns but FAR from good enough in the real world.</p><p></p><p>Current returns/ input prices are unsustainable in the long term and the industry shouldn't have got into the situation it has where farmers cant take out a wage that compares with other industry's ( ie 30k a year for example ) when you account for the hours worked and the skills of the farmer.</p><p></p><p>Trouble is if subs go then the situation will get a lot worse, a nonsense that some people have suggested on here on other threads that people should be running 500 ewes/ 80 suckler cows as a weekend job and work all week in another full time job to earn a wage! these sort of stock numbers should easily be given returns ( but they aren't on many farms ) to enable someone to be at home working at least half the week and be able to draw out a sensible wage for the hours worked.</p><p></p><p>Take the OP, say he makes £200 net profit head on his suckler cows excluding the subs, to take 30k out each for the two directors and then another 20k for the mother means that they would be drawing out 80k a year so at £200 head net profit per cow means that they would need to run 400 sucklers between them and even them they still wouldn't have anything other than the BPS payment to reinvest in the farm ( assuming no other farming/ business income ) </p><p></p><p>The job is getting a numbers game thus why farms are getting bigger and bigger with less labour units per stock unit at a rate of knots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gone up the hill, post: 3639720, member: 1048"] I totally agree with you that 18k a year is NO good for either a single person living on their own or someone with a family but the reality is that farming returns currently mean that many farmers take out this or even less ( even including things that are paid by the business in directly ) a year, its a good wage on current returns but FAR from good enough in the real world. Current returns/ input prices are unsustainable in the long term and the industry shouldn't have got into the situation it has where farmers cant take out a wage that compares with other industry's ( ie 30k a year for example ) when you account for the hours worked and the skills of the farmer. Trouble is if subs go then the situation will get a lot worse, a nonsense that some people have suggested on here on other threads that people should be running 500 ewes/ 80 suckler cows as a weekend job and work all week in another full time job to earn a wage! these sort of stock numbers should easily be given returns ( but they aren't on many farms ) to enable someone to be at home working at least half the week and be able to draw out a sensible wage for the hours worked. Take the OP, say he makes £200 net profit head on his suckler cows excluding the subs, to take 30k out each for the two directors and then another 20k for the mother means that they would be drawing out 80k a year so at £200 head net profit per cow means that they would need to run 400 sucklers between them and even them they still wouldn't have anything other than the BPS payment to reinvest in the farm ( assuming no other farming/ business income ) The job is getting a numbers game thus why farms are getting bigger and bigger with less labour units per stock unit at a rate of knots. [/QUOTE]
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