Who has replaced Guy Smith at Red Tractor?

[robbie]

I still can't get my head round how the feed I give my pigs can be RT assured and how the pigs can be RT assured when the ingredients going into thier ration are atleast partly non assured.

We cart direct to a local mill, often when tipping, The lorry on the other tip next door will be tipping osr meal or soya ect. The drivers will tell you they've just come from the docks with it, this grain has no assurance other than a gate keeper test at best.

What's more is that a lot of that soya in particular will be GM. I had a rant at my RT inspector, who is a nice sensible chap, and his reply to me was " yes I know, it takes the pee out of you guys"!!!!!

On our inspection he noticed that I had a pallet of pheasent feed in the shed and we got back onto the subject of imports and soya. He said aside from any meds or vitamins if I had grain in the store and spilt some feed near or on the heap the whole lot would be condemned as it's been contaminated with gm non assured produce yet once my wheat is in the mill it can be mixed with non assured gm soya and come out as a RT assured product to be fed to RT assured livestock.

The whole system is rubbish!!!!

He also told me that if I was only RT assured for my own livestock and fed all my own grain then I'd only need a sprayer test every 3 years like the government states but because I sell my grain and it comes back(the mill we deliver to also supplied our feed so there's a fair chance some of ours comes back sometimes) then I have to abide by the gold plated rules of annual NSTS and the associated costs.

How can there be such a 2 tier system for domestic and imported produce yet the final product is all assured???

 

[robbie]

And now my trader says he has no market for unassured beans, last year yes, this year no.
Wish he’d told me before I’d drilled 150ac worth!!
Anyone want any beans? They’re dry!

There's always a market, I know of malting barley, feed wheat and barley, osr and beans that are all non assured but find homes in the mills ect.
If I could find a way to keep growing beet with out RT I'd drop it like a shot. Beet is the only thing that forces me to keep paying the cartel.
I know the rest of my produce would all find homes withing 30 miles no problem without there poxy little sticker.

 

[DRC]

I know for a fact that one neighbour isn’t assured and yet his wheat was being tipped at local mills and his OSR has gone into a local farm store where no doubt it’ll become assured.

 

[JP1]

Point to think about....

Concern of failing the RT audit.

Failing means most market access vanishes. No feed mill access, flour mill, Maltsters or oilseed crushers access. This is a massive business risk/problem.

Meanwhile, Mr(s) Eastern European Farmer can still supply our markets without having an on farm audit by a private company.

Think I'm correct in saying RT are judge, jury and executioner.

Mr(s) England And Wales Farmer may have grain sold on contract for immediate collection, and forward sold for future months/years.

The farmer can't sell the crop in his shed. That's only right, as it's failed the RT audit.

Meanwhile, Mr Smug Farmer next door also failed their audit. Mr Smug sent his grain to the local farmer owned co-op store, where it got put on a big pile with the other co-op members' grain. Although Mr Smug failed his audit, and still owns the grain in the co-op, his grain still gets loaded and sent to the mill.

This doesn't make me want to invest in on-farm storage.

This also puts massive pressure on passing the audit, as your business can be closed down. At least grain keeps in the shed for a while, whereas milk producers are hung out to dry.

Ironically, if we pop the wheat on a boat in Hull, sail about in the North Sea for a few hours, then dock at Immingham, you can send it to a mill on results of a lab test.

So Mr English Farmer asks if he can save the boat trip and lab test the grain from his store. "No you can't" comes back the answer. "But, but, but..." protests the English Farmer.

"Listen carefully" says Jim Moseley "If we let you lab test your English grain, then RT won't have any members, and that's the ONLY reason why RT, SQC, NFU and AIC won't allow UK grain the same rules as imports. We won't have any members and, our cash stream dries up, and all our big juicy salaries will vanish. You see, we're a self serving organisation."

Mr Farmer replies "Jim, Minette et al, you haven't got any reason at all to withhold equivalence for the UK farmers have you?"

Jim and Minette haven't got anything else to say. They just stand there looking blank. Correction, they just SIT there looking blank, because they haven't a moral leg to stand on.

If Carlsberg made Post of The Years .......................

 

[Henarar]

And now my trader says he has no market for unassured beans, last year yes, this year no.
Wish he’d told me before I’d drilled 150ac worth!!
Anyone want any beans? They’re dry!

I may know someone not far away from here but the haulage would probably make them just as much as RT beans ?

 

[graham mc]

Back today - Still listening @graham mc !

thats good then!!! keep standing up for us

 

[tullah]

I still can't get my head round how the feed I give my pigs can be RT assured and how the pigs can be RT assured when the ingredients going into thier ration are atleast partly non assured.

We cart direct to a local mill, often when tipping, The lorry on the other tip next door will be tipping osr meal or soya ect. The drivers will tell you they've just come from the docks with it, this grain has no assurance other than a gate keeper test at best.

What's more is that a lot of that soya in particular will be GM. I had a rant at my RT inspector, who is a nice sensible chap, and his reply to me was " yes I know, it takes the pee out of you guys"!!!!!

On our inspection he noticed that I had a pallet of pheasent feed in the shed and we got back onto the subject of imports and soya. He said aside from any meds or vitamins if I had grain in the store and spilt some feed near or on the heap the whole lot would be condemned as it's been contaminated with gm non assured produce yet once my wheat is in the mill it can be mixed with non assured gm soya and come out as a RT assured product to be fed to RT assured livestock.

The whole system is rubbish!!!!

He also told me that if I was only RT assured for my own livestock and fed all my own grain then I'd only need a sprayer test every 3 years like the government states but because I sell my grain and it comes back(the mill we deliver to also supplied our feed so there's a fair chance some of ours comes back sometimes) then I have to abide by the gold plated rules of annual NSTS and the associated costs.

How can there be such a 2 tier system for domestic and imported produce yet the final product is all assured???

One word...fraud. They will carry on with it till the rule of law comes down on them hard.
I wouldn't want to be the director in the witness box.

 

[tullah]

I know for a fact that one neighbour isn’t assured and yet his wheat was being tipped at local mills and his OSR has gone into a local farm store where no doubt it’ll become assured.

Amazing what good neighbours will do to help.

 

[MrNoo]

thats good then!!! keep standing up for us

“Start standing up for us”

 

[stroller]

One word...fraud. They will carry on with it till the rule of law comes down on them hard.
I wouldn't want to be the director in the witness box.

The new PPI compensation, although dead tractor don't have any money so it would be NFU and aic.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

The new PPI compensation, although dead tractor don't have any money so it would be NFU and aic?

They will say it's voluntary

 

[MrNoo]

They will say it's voluntary

But clearly it’s not, feed beans here with no legal market

 

[DRC]

Amazing what good neighbours will do to help.

Think this was a proper store on a large farm, not good neighbourliness

 

[tullah]

Rishi Sunak article British Farmers in Telegraph. Good opportunity to comment on what you think of RT. The more exposure the better.