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<blockquote data-quote="egbert" data-source="post: 7099954" data-attributes="member: 9965"><p>I haven't had much to do with this thread - it's all been chewed over before.</p><p></p><p>But since we're here....</p><p>I've come to realise that the rewilding lobby is largely made up of an urban sub-conscious guilt-fed desire to right the wrongs of modern humanity (at least, those wrongs to do with destroying eco-systems - which is what billions of humans living modern lives will inevitably do) </p><p>And as it's hard to kick yourself up the erse, they look for someone else to kick.</p><p>To trample over a few barely solvent hill sheep farmers is rather easier than challenging HS2, or the whole 'jetting off for a weeks sun' thing, or the passive acceptance of hundreds of thousands of new houses and all their infrastructure being built on green field sites</p><p></p><p>In short, desiring rewilding in the UK is mostly a fantasy carried by people far removed from the dirt.</p><p></p><p>There are a few specific cases I'd hear out - such as pine martens being used to control grey squizzers. </p><p>But the rights of land managers alongside such projects should come first...including the absolute right to control unwanted straying...'with extreme prejudice', as they say.</p><p></p><p>However, the mindset oft ignorantly carries on into apex predators. </p><p>And as some of you know, I've travelled and herded beasts with mainland European stockmen who are losing their livestock right now, and whole cultures are under direct threat. </p><p>Whole hills/mountains have been abandoned after centuries of trad livestock culture.</p><p>I'm in contact with yet more, and the daily photos are just godawful.</p><p>Wolves don't just 'help keep the deer down'...they rip open whatever is easiest to catch, and eat the juiciest bits.</p><p>There have been a spate of sheep attacks in 2-3 mountains ranges this summer where dozens of sheep have been disembowelled in this fashion at one time.</p><p></p><p>Wolves also very good at catching and eating domestic dogs. videos of them slipping into night time streets and taking pets from backyards are particularly unsettling.</p><p>It isn't without reason that folklore and linguistics from times when they were common make such a big thing about wolves. </p><p></p><p>Obviously, there is uproar within the countries worst effected, and the photos are pretty good at showing the rewilding imbeciles what their fantasy means in reality. However, the desire persists, and is pushed on by moneyed interests.</p><p>Our biggest specific problem here has been Gove and his bluesky thinking club.</p><p>The dodgy appointments of people who share these fantasies is likely going to lead us (and I mean those of us who are deeply immersed in livestock farming and commercial land management) into very ugly conflict with various elements of the lobby. </p><p>It's esp ironic that some of Goves dodgy appointments - and when they've seemingly donated funds shortly before getting top gov posts, I regard that as dodgy- are folk who've made squillions from industries rather more damaging to the environment than my yows up on the hill.</p><p>Hypocritical scum is a reasonable term in this instance.</p><p></p><p>Their ignorance is going to result in very real strife.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="egbert, post: 7099954, member: 9965"] I haven't had much to do with this thread - it's all been chewed over before. But since we're here.... I've come to realise that the rewilding lobby is largely made up of an urban sub-conscious guilt-fed desire to right the wrongs of modern humanity (at least, those wrongs to do with destroying eco-systems - which is what billions of humans living modern lives will inevitably do) And as it's hard to kick yourself up the erse, they look for someone else to kick. To trample over a few barely solvent hill sheep farmers is rather easier than challenging HS2, or the whole 'jetting off for a weeks sun' thing, or the passive acceptance of hundreds of thousands of new houses and all their infrastructure being built on green field sites In short, desiring rewilding in the UK is mostly a fantasy carried by people far removed from the dirt. There are a few specific cases I'd hear out - such as pine martens being used to control grey squizzers. But the rights of land managers alongside such projects should come first...including the absolute right to control unwanted straying...'with extreme prejudice', as they say. However, the mindset oft ignorantly carries on into apex predators. And as some of you know, I've travelled and herded beasts with mainland European stockmen who are losing their livestock right now, and whole cultures are under direct threat. Whole hills/mountains have been abandoned after centuries of trad livestock culture. I'm in contact with yet more, and the daily photos are just godawful. Wolves don't just 'help keep the deer down'...they rip open whatever is easiest to catch, and eat the juiciest bits. There have been a spate of sheep attacks in 2-3 mountains ranges this summer where dozens of sheep have been disembowelled in this fashion at one time. Wolves also very good at catching and eating domestic dogs. videos of them slipping into night time streets and taking pets from backyards are particularly unsettling. It isn't without reason that folklore and linguistics from times when they were common make such a big thing about wolves. Obviously, there is uproar within the countries worst effected, and the photos are pretty good at showing the rewilding imbeciles what their fantasy means in reality. However, the desire persists, and is pushed on by moneyed interests. Our biggest specific problem here has been Gove and his bluesky thinking club. The dodgy appointments of people who share these fantasies is likely going to lead us (and I mean those of us who are deeply immersed in livestock farming and commercial land management) into very ugly conflict with various elements of the lobby. It's esp ironic that some of Goves dodgy appointments - and when they've seemingly donated funds shortly before getting top gov posts, I regard that as dodgy- are folk who've made squillions from industries rather more damaging to the environment than my yows up on the hill. Hypocritical scum is a reasonable term in this instance. Their ignorance is going to result in very real strife. [/QUOTE]
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