Aviator timelapse video
- Thread starter Clive
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warksfarmer
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What a completely pointless video. Never said you don't need fungicides, just said cheap ones every 30 days or as required are sufficient.
What about basic cheap fungicides on the right hand side vs expensive ones!
What about basic cheap fungicides on the right hand side vs expensive ones!
yes that would be interesting comparison but none the less this certainly shows what happens to an unprotected crop
I thought you did do some plots with ZERO fungicide last year though Lee ?
Not pointless. Now seems to be sponsored by Bayer.
http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/tff-santander-support.58372/
Almost sure the OP did not have any objections to this, and this thread certainly looks a thread of interest.
yes they wanted to sponsor it, can't say i blame them as it proves their product does something doesn't it ! I also do think its an interesting video
would like to see one like lee mentions though of a conventional programme vs Aviator as well, I thought lee might be interested as I recall he did some zero fungicide plots last season
- Location
- Limavady, Northern Ireland
Interesting!!
Iv been on farms where they claim they do not use any sprays and looking at this you can see the advantage!
Iv been on farms where they claim they do not use any sprays and looking at this you can see the advantage!
- Location
- S E Glos
Shows it's windy.
warksfarmer
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Zero yielded 2t/ac
One fung (cherokee) yielded 2.5t/av
Rest on a 3 cheap fung program did 3.9t/ac
All milling.
This year we have two half fields of basic fung vs shdi so I'll post the yield maps up.
If shdi' spay we'll swap to them don't worry!
One fung (cherokee) yielded 2.5t/av
Rest on a 3 cheap fung program did 3.9t/ac
All milling.
This year we have two half fields of basic fung vs shdi so I'll post the yield maps up.
If shdi' spay we'll swap to them don't worry!
If you are protecting against septoria SDHIs are essential. Not risking it here even with prices where they are. Might all change at T2 if the weather settles down.
http://hgca.com/media/622525/is38-fungicide-activity-and-performance-in-wheat.pdf
http://hgca.com/media/622525/is38-fungicide-activity-and-performance-in-wheat.pdf
I've gone the other way this year and my programme so far is quite basic, cheap and cheerful and so far its paid and things are clean
however t2 onward will be decided at the time based on crop potential both yield and price, I've just decided to increase my total N today based on the rain this weekend, the big yield potential is there currently but a dry time latter may change that view again
got to be flexible, if we could farm to a blueprint we could sack those agronomist chaps !
warksfarmer
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It's £105/t so better off trying to get the input spend under £40/t produced.
I agree but you can go about that 2 ways ! Sell more tonnes or spend less !
Skilled bit is finding that balance not just spending nothing which any idiot can do or growing a big heap at any cost which again isn't really very hard either
warksfarmer
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3.5t of milling grade fairly easily achieved which is worth about £130/t in November. Plus BPS £80 ish? Less inputs at £120/ac. Less machinery charge £120/ac should leave about £300/ac before fixed costs etc.
Chasing 4t but with £200/ac cost would leave about £280/ac before fixed costs.
Yes the figures could be tweaked but is there really any point chasing that extra half a tonne per acre when it's worth £130 as a group 1?
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
Thats the rub! Been having this chat with the agronomist today!
- Location
- Hampshire
Sorry been out of the chemical game for a few years, but doesn't the fact that your crop gets a disease perhaps mean that your husbandry is in some way failing?
Perhaps that last few tens of units of N to force the plant may have opened it up to disease?
We seldom see much disease now, healthy plants grow away from it. I just wonder about the economics of chucking high rates of N on a crop, then having to spray 4 times. Does the extra ton or so an acre pay?
Perhaps that last few tens of units of N to force the plant may have opened it up to disease?
We seldom see much disease now, healthy plants grow away from it. I just wonder about the economics of chucking high rates of N on a crop, then having to spray 4 times. Does the extra ton or so an acre pay?
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
We don't see disease as we try to spray as a protectant rather than curative (whether in current economic climate that is the right thing to do, i'm not so sure)
no Lee, 3.5t is not easily achieved - on some land you really have to work for that ! If I cut the inputs right away there is now way I would average even close to that on my soils, i'm not alone, your soil is good stuff capable of 5t plus IMO, not all farms have soil like that unfortunately
on my land its a choice between 3t with low spend and 3.5t with more spend - a 3t crop still carries the fixed costs that a 4 or 5 t crop does. even at £100/t it makes sense for me to aim at 3.5 vs 3 - if i'm lucky and the weather is kind I can get closer to 4 but i certainly dont budget for it
I'm a group 1 grower - wheat this year is worth 175 at full spec, im glad i grew as many tonnes of it last year as possible or things would look a lot bleaker. I could have cut N and fungicides last year when prices fell and ended up lower bushel low protein wheat - yield and quality is king here and key to profitability and pretty much always has been
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I think your right, I think as my soil is improving it may well become less chemically dependant, lets hope so anyway !
can we see your breakdown of £120/ac input costs volume barely costs £40 ac just for seed, fert atleast £55 sprays ??
warksfarmer
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Not got them to hand right now but will check tomorrow, but for the last two seasons it's been under £50/t sold and some down just under £40/t sold.
Things like farm saving seed, cleaning it but not dressing it, no bagged P & K, cutting N rates, cheapest fungicides you can buy all go toward reducing costs but we've maintained yield.