And when 4 buyers pull into the market and there 1000s of lambs there, they haven't got to fight for them and the price goes?????
Lambs deadweight
- Thread starter beardface
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The problems you talk about stem from those buyers knowing how many lambs etc are already booked in that week on the dead (still trying to get my head around collection centres:so you take them somewhere at the beginning of the week, someone grades them and then an abattoir takes the lot? Have I got this right, because it sounds riddiculous.)
I understand your aversion to the timeliness, I don't understand your aversion to competition.
On the plus side, our lambs were up £7 per head this morning.
Jackson4
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- Wensleydale
Live tends to pay well when they want them, and dead guys get rewarded when they dont. Normally better live in the spring when hoggs are gone and homegrown lamb sparse, but nz lamb and large lamb crop/breeding flock last year running into lots of hogs has meant they didnt want them. Dead has been better than live till end last week, this week.. now some marts carlisle, northallerton etc are above £2/kilo when dead are on £3.90. Maybe back to live better for a few weeks.
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Jackson4
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Lambs at bigger marts make more money than the smaller ones. The buyers dont like travelling round little marts buying 20 lambs each, paying for haulage etc and being a cynic i think they push the price down to force people to bigger marts.People i've spoken to have taken there lambs out of leyburn and now sell at darlo or northallerton can be 6 or 7 quid more so worth the hour drive if you are selling alot. I see northallerton averaged 201p for mediums today.. I'll eat my hat(paddy) if my lambs make that tomorrow.. (there, i cant loose now i'm either right or wrong but happy)
JD-Kid
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we sell all our's dead that will kill others stores within the same meat co at a agreeded price per Kg on the place
we send ours just on weight to kill some could do with some more finshing when the graphs come back from yeild scanning kill out weights can be strange and change year to year diffrent yeilds due to feed weather grass growth etc ..
we send ours just on weight to kill some could do with some more finshing when the graphs come back from yeild scanning kill out weights can be strange and change year to year diffrent yeilds due to feed weather grass growth etc ..
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- Welshman living in Nottinghamshire
Isn't it possible to be both?
No way outrageous. You must be in one camp or another, and stick up for your chosen camp.
I always sell ewes live. Don't tell no one please.
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- Welshman living in Nottinghamshire
Phew!! No need to re write my business plan, worried I'd dropped a right hairy bristol!!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Why does it sound reddiculous about collection centres for?? the local collection centre has been averaging more ppk than the market average around here for the last few weeks...
Price is based on markets the previous two days also..
sheepwise
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- SW Scotland
@JD-Kid when you say yield scanning ,do you mean by VIA? When the system comes in to abattoirs over here it will transform deadweight selling.
bread and jam
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- Herefordshire
how can the collection centre be paying more than the market if they work out there ppk from the average of the live market?
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Because they have buyers for the lambs I guess!
exmoor dave
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Hahaha! I'm going to be a outcast now then!
Since last autumn we've been selling lambs dead weight....... but via the local market, so they do the leg work and the lamb's are picked up from the market.
This works well for me because I like to draw the best 40-50 lambs at a time rather than wait for enough ready for a lorry load or even a half load.
Also difficult access for a big lorry here.
Lambs go dunbia or jaspers.
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bread and jam
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so out of intrest do you pay commission to the auctioneers or does the abattoir charge kill costs.
exmoor dave
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As far as I'm aware with the lamb's it's split 50/50 liveweight/ dead weight.
I'm not so sure of the arguement of markets disappearing if too many lambs go dead weight.
All the store animals still go auction.
vast majority of killing and grazing ewes go auction.
vast majority of breeding stock goes auction.
Doesn't the store price have a big impact on the finished price.
Also I think the markets have shot them selves in the foot allowing multiple accounts.
Where there might have been 20 buyers, now there might only be 4 with 5 accounts each.......... is that progress??
I'm not so sure of the arguement of markets disappearing if too many lambs go dead weight.
All the store animals still go auction.
vast majority of killing and grazing ewes go auction.
vast majority of breeding stock goes auction.
Doesn't the store price have a big impact on the finished price.
Also I think the markets have shot them selves in the foot allowing multiple accounts.
Where there might have been 20 buyers, now there might only be 4 with 5 accounts each.......... is that progress??
exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
Yes commission to the market- full rate, that's the only bit I'm not happy with!
Hoping that by picking lambs at their best i'll make up for that.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
If you sent the lambs direct to Dunbia you would prob be saving 0.17/ 20 p head after you take into account the abbs deductions!
gone up the hill
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Your too young to recall no doubt but in 2001 when everyone had to send deadweight the price of fat cattle/ sheep fell off a cliff, if we don't have liveweight fat markets you would be back to what happened in 2001...
Many store cattle dealers have 4/5 accounts but it hasn't affected the store cattle trade.
The store price has no bearing on the fat price..
exmoor dave
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Hahaha! How young do you think I am??
I wish i was too young to remember!
I'm certainly not suggesting we stop sending fat stock via market, but they defo aren't perfect and don't help themselves some times- I stopped going sedgemoor last September and TBH the only bit i miss is the breakfast
Interestingly I was at a talk once where a chap suggested that we as farmers do things abit arse backwards- we should send only the very best lambs to market and the not so good deadweight.
With the intention of the liveweight setting the price thus bringing up the dosh for the not so good lambs.
Rather than dump the out of spec lambs on market.
(Obviously plenty of folk sell all their very best in market anyway)
Not my opinion, just a idea I heard muted