Lambs deadweight

[neilo]

Or take em to the live market, wait round all day, find that they buyers have filled there order and your lambs aren't wanted so take them home. Least you had a fry up and a day doing naff all.

Sorry someone had to say it.

Original poster refer to beef and lamb price tracker, you'll soon catch on that some of us are live sellers and some dead weight.

I rarely hang around to see my lambs sold, and even less often for the cull ewes (lambs would be several hours, ewes most of the day). However, I only sell my sheep in large markets where the dealers don't make the trade, along with a profit for themselves. On the rare occasions in the past when I have used a small market, I have stayed obviously, but not interested in bringing any sheep (or disease) home unless it's really desperate.
I've never really understood why folk send their stock to small markets where the only buyers are dealers and the average is always way behind SQQ. I've seen plenty of ewes picked up by dealers in Tuesday marts, then dropped into a Wednesday red mart for £20/hd more. Might as well have sent them dead.

 

[GTB]

Local dealer buys for an abattoir. He has many accounts but number one is paid for directly by the customer (expensive lambs) and number two he pays for himself and sends them in under his own name (cheap lambs)

Same applies to accounts three and four, five and six etc etc.

I'd rather send my lambs in direct to the abattoir, cutting out at least a couple of middle men. Don't kid yourselves that the live price influences the dead price. It most definitely works both ways, dependant on supply and demand.

 

[PFH]

Your too young to recall no doubt but in 2001 when everyone had to send deadweight the price of fat cattle/ sheep fell off a cliff, if we don't have liveweight fat markets you would be back to what happened in 2001..

Hmmmm so losing all export sales overnight had nothing to do with prices falling off a cliff? Sheep meat exports in the year 2000 were circa 100,000 tonnes, sheep meat exports in 2001 were circa 30,000 tonnes. Had the live markets remained open do you really think prices would have been any better with an additional 70,000 tonnes of meat dumped on the domestic market?

My great-uncle once told me that during the 50's before big nasty slaughter houses/supermarkets existed he can remember times when him and his mates took lambs to the live auction and literally nobody got a bid, (SQQ NSL £0.00ppkg would have been the text they received that night!) they would all take them home and try again the following week.....ahh the good old days!!

 

[Hampton]

Why does it sound reddiculous about collection centres for?? the local collection centre has been averaging more ppk than the market average around here for the last few weeks...

Price is based on markets the previous two days also..

So what day are these collection centres? Start of the week or end?

 

[gone up the hill]

So what day are these collection centres? Start of the week or end?

Different days of the week,

I send them to where I think they will make the most and that includes the local market, you have to make the call judged on where you think the trade is going that week, info from places like TFF/ market reports and what type of lambs you are sending ( ie : young sappy lambs or ones slightly older/ a bit stale ) etc etc..

 

[gone up the hill]

Hmmmm so losing all export sales overnight had nothing to do with prices falling off a cliff? Sheep meat exports in the year 2000 were circa 100,000 tonnes, sheep meat exports in 2001 were circa 30,000 tonnes. Had the live markets remained open do you really think prices would have been any better with an additional 70,000 tonnes of meat dumped on the domestic market?

My great-uncle once told me that during the 50's before big nasty slaughter houses/supermarkets existed he can remember times when him and his mates took lambs to the live auction and literally nobody got a bid, (SQQ NSL £0.00ppkg would have been the text they received that night!) they would all take them home and try again the following week.....ahh the good old days!!

Export market currently is all but dried up ( due to the exchange rate ) and thus is sucking in imports by the boat load ( up 35% on 12 months ago ) yet while the lamb trade is bad it could be much worse and markets have helped play a role in stabilising prices..

Take the beef job, deadweight prices have been pushed down every week the last 6/7 weeks ( until this week ) whilst the market averages have largely held the same in that time until they started rising 2 weeks ago and thus partly because of this the deadweight price is being pulled up alongside them..

 

[Bury the Trash]

lambs booked Thursday. loaded away 5.30 Monday, Kill sheet e mailed to me by 5.30 Monday afternoon(it even didn't surprise me this time)

 

[Funnywaytmekalivin]

I send roughly half dead half live. In my heart I would like to send all live but there are two points that stop me.
I find it annoying when the are only three buyers with a dozen accounts between them. If it was one man one account there would be less chance of them all being best pals.
Sometimes if there are too many lambs ready to risk on a poor trade at the mart I take two trailer load to the mart then the rest deadweight. After sorting all the best conformation and tightest skins for the mart quite often the deadweight lambs make a fiver more!

 

[Man_in_black]

Don't wanna highjack...

Still finding feet in actually selling for myself. Looking at market reports, few questions/wanting definitions. Thanks.

* What is SQQ?
* New season /old season - simple as it sounds?
* Standard/medium/heavy - what are the figures (weights) of each?

Thanks

 

[DB67]

Don't wanna highjack...

Still finding feet in actually selling for myself. Looking at market reports, few questions/wanting definitions. Thanks.

* What is SQQ?
* New season /old season - simple as it sounds?
* Standard/medium/heavy - what are the figures (weights) of each?

Thanks

SQQ is 39kg - 45kg roughly. So basically in spec lambs. Really all lambs should be in this bracket to satisfy the markets unless it's early season demand for light lambs.

New season/old season yes as simple as it sounds. Right now new season is born this year, old season is 2014 born lambs.

Heavy lambs would be 45plus.

Standard 38-42 ish.

 

[Jackson4]

Don't wanna highjack...

Still finding feet in actually selling for myself. Looking at market reports, few questions/wanting definitions. Thanks.

* What is SQQ?
* New season /old season - simple as it sounds?
* Standard/medium/heavy - what are the figures (weights) of each?

Thanks

This is of meat promotion wales..

Lambs Weight
Superlight (17 - 25.4 kg)
Light (25.5 - 32 kg)
Standard (32.1 - 39 kg)
Medium (39.1 - 45.5 kg)
Heavy (45.6 - 52 kg)
Others (over 52 kg)
SQQ (Standard Quality Quotation) Average : 25.5 - 45.5kg i.e. Light, standard and medium weight ranges for lamb

Some marts dont seem to use 'standard' and just call them lights.

 

[Man_in_black]

Thanks fellas.

 

[devonbrion1998]

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