Winter bean drilling depth

Clive · Oct 25, 2016

shakerator said:
Don't worry

^ THIS

it really doesn't matter, they will grow

Clive · Oct 25, 2016

Feldspar said:
Normally would count them out, but we only had a trailer full from harvest and so that had to make do.

Would have liked to have tried the Claydon in some of the fields, but that was set up for wheat and it wasn't worth changing everything over for 30 odd ac.

Claydon is the ultimate bean drill IMO - if you're going to keep it mad to not put beans in with it

shakerator · Oct 25, 2016

If you put the jd seed boots in the deepest hole it behaves more like a tine drill

Feldspar · Oct 25, 2016

Clive said:
Claydon is the ultimate bean drill IMO - if you're going to keep it mad to not put beans in with it

Certainly would have liked to have tried it alongside. Higher disturbance though and therefore more black grass issues.

Clive · Oct 25, 2016

Feldspar said:
Certainly would have liked to have tried it alongside. Higher disturbance though and therefore more black grass issues.

is BG an issue in winter beans ? kerb kills it doesnt it ?

Feldspar · Oct 25, 2016

Clive said:
is BG an issue in winter beans ? kerb kills it doesnt it ?

It is an issue. Kerb doesn't always do enough. BLW pressure should be lower too.

Tractor Boy · Oct 25, 2016

Clive said:
is BG an issue in winter beans ? kerb kills it doesnt it ?

The trouble with kerb on winter beans is it has to be on within 7 days. It then breaks down quicker in the earlier warmer temperatures and in my experience on heavy land with any direct drill it's too wet to drill beans into Nov when the temperatures drop.

Bomber101 · Oct 25, 2016

We finished drilling our winter beans over the weekend with our Rapid. We had a problem with the beans blocking the seed tubes, either at the coulter or mid way it seemed. Does the Claydon suffer in the same way or does it cope better with giant seeds. Soil was dry enough and not the issue which we were delighted about this late in the year with a Rapid but the job was awful with blocked coulters every few acres. Looking to establish beans to a consistent depth without ploughing, any thoughts gratefully listened to, if only to give the drill man some hope!!

shakerator · Oct 25, 2016

Clive said:
is BG an issue in winter beans ? kerb kills it doesnt it ?

Far less of a competitive issue in crop due to no N!

bankrupt · Oct 25, 2016

Flat 10 said:
It will help re rooks. ....

15 years ago, Flat 10, rooks was quite a problem.

Now that the world and his wife are big into beans for their EFAs, the ideal drilling depth is to be found just slightly below that the one's nearest neighbour.

Simon Chiles · Oct 25, 2016

Feldspar said:
Still think we haven't quite mastered the set up of the drill because I keep finding seed further up the slot mixed in with the loose soil. Had the same with wheat. Thought it was the air bleeds that were causing the problem, but we've taken those off now and still getting the problem. The majority of the seed gets down nicely to the bottom, but there's an annoying amount that don't. Have been running the firming wheel between the two nipples. Maybe with beans I should have put it up a notch.

You should definitely have had the press wheel set at the highest pressure, increase press wheel pressure when seeding deep or in dry conditions. You must have conditions that ticked both those boxes. Lowering the seed boot would make it harder for the drill to penetrate in hard conditions and increase boot wear. You should have increased the fan speed to about 4500 rpm.
Several of our fields were too hard to drill into, had a pan at 2 inches where we had drilled in the wet previously, so we ran the flatlift through at 8 inches deep. I used a much lower seed rate than you but had drilled a fortnight ago. I've rolled the lot whether it was flatlifted or not.

Brisel · Oct 26, 2016

Tractor Boy said:
The trouble with kerb on winter beans is it has to be on within 7 days. It then breaks down quicker in the earlier warmer temperatures and in my experience on heavy land with any direct drill it's too wet to drill beans into Nov when the temperatures drop.

Crawler can be used post emergence in beans, though you'll compromise the broad leafed weed control if you drop the pre em Kerb.

Tractor Boy · Oct 26, 2016

Brisel said:
Crawler can be used post emergence in beans, though you'll compromise the broad leafed weed control if you drop the pre em Kerb.

I've used Kerb pre em. Thinking if the bg gets through later it might need Crawler as well.

Tractor Boy · Oct 26, 2016

Simon Chiles said:
You should definitely have had the press wheel set at the highest pressure, increase press wheel pressure when seeding deep or in dry conditions. You must have conditions that ticked both those boxes. Lowering the seed boot would make it harder for the drill to penetrate in hard conditions and increase boot wear. You should have increased the fan speed to about 4500 rpm.
Several of our fields were too hard to drill into, had a pan at 2 inches where we had drilled in the wet previously, so we ran the flatlift through at 8 inches deep. I used a much lower seed rate than you but had drilled a fortnight ago. I've rolled the lot whether it was flatlifted or not.

I drilled mine around 13th Oct. started with press wheel on full pressure but had to slacken it off one click as the slot side walls were sticky and building up badly on the press wheel sides. Glad I drilled when I did though as despite very little rain the soil has stayed sticky on top two inches.

bankrupt · Oct 26, 2016

According to today's tabloids, we're in for a hard winter.

We last lost winter beans (Wizard) to frost six years ago, in 2010/11.

Strong suspicion formed then that the deeper the drilling the less the damage was.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wea...r-earliest-ever-arrival-of-Siberian-swan.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...forecast-Britain-faces-coldest-winter-100-yea

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weath...eavy-snow-cold-UK-weather-long-range-forecast

Louis Mc · Oct 26, 2016

bankrupt said:
According to today's tabloids, we're in for a hard winter.

Last lost winter beans (Wizard) to frost in 2010/11.

Strong suspicion then was that the deeper the drilling the less the damage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wea...r-earliest-ever-arrival-of-Siberian-swan.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...forecast-Britain-faces-coldest-winter-100-yea

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weath...eavy-snow-cold-UK-weather-long-range-forecast

You've got some really top notch reliable sources there I see

I might ask God tonight during my bedtime prayers for his prediction

bankrupt · Oct 26, 2016

Louis Mc said:
You've got some really top notch reliable sources there I see

If you don't like them, well . . . . I have others.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-worst-winter-more-7139543

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/uk-weather-120-days-snow-9126573

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161026081551.htm

Bman · Oct 26, 2016

Bomber101 said:
We finished drilling our winter beans over the weekend with our Rapid. We had a problem with the beans blocking the seed tubes, either at the coulter or mid way it seemed. Does the Claydon suffer in the same way or does it cope better with giant seeds. Soil was dry enough and not the issue which we were delighted about this late in the year with a Rapid but the job was awful with blocked coulters every few acres. Looking to establish beans to a consistent depth without ploughing, any thoughts gratefully listened to, if only to give the drill man some hope!!

Have you got bean culters fitted on your rapid

Michael S · Oct 26, 2016

I'm still putting beans in with this as we have been for 15ish years on and off. Depth and slot closing not generally an issue. Disturbance is of course unfashionably high although there is little inversion.

Feldspar · Oct 27, 2016

Louis Mc said:
You've got some really top notch reliable sources there I see

I might ask God tonight during my bedtime prayers for his prediction

@Simon Chiles says we're in for a hard winter, so it must be true.

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