Sprayer MOT

John 1594 · Nov 23, 2016

Mines in the workshop in bits so it cant have its MOT just yet

in all seriousness, not sure what to MOT it as....its got some bits from a hardi, a chassis and tank from moteska, berthoud lines and nozzles and the rest of it is frankenstiens monster conjured up from the scrap pile outside the workshop

But its never more than 10-20 litres out after a full days spraying :scratchhead:

Skimmer · Nov 23, 2016

spikeislander said:
How much Is a new bog standard slug pelleter? We only spread at 12 m as they struggle to do 24 anyway. If like a car you don't need an mot until 3 years it might be easier to keep swapping for new?
Although i may have blessed them falsely with some common sense!

Why swop for new when £150 gets it passed for 5 years bit daft really.

neilo · Nov 24, 2016

Skimmer said:
Why swop for new when £150 gets it passed for 5 years bit daft really.

I think the fear is of it becoming an annual test/expense, as the sprayer MOT has become for the assured bods. Slug Pelleter is only a 5 yearly test now, as is the sprayer for those without the gold plated rule book.

Skimmer · Nov 24, 2016

John 1594 said:
Mines in the workshop in bits so it cant have its MOT just yet

in all seriousness, not sure what to MOT it as....its got some bits from a hardi, a chassis and tank from moteska, berthoud lines and nozzles and the rest of it is frankenstiens monster conjured up from the scrap pile outside the workshop

But its never more than 10-20 litres out after a full days spraying

I was quite cynical and annoyed when sprayer testing came in to the point I became a tester, after ten years of doing it I think it is worth while we do solve & see problems operators don't, we can help with networking with different people where to buy parts, all testers are their to help & offer advice if needed all my customers don't seem to have a problem with it.

2wheels · Nov 24, 2016

JWL said:
I'd have loved to have been around if the NSTS had come to do an MoT on the old acid sprayer I used to use for dessicating potato haulm with 77% Sulphuric acid. It was an early SAM self propelled machine based an a Daisy Brown 2wd with a forward control cab. I was lucky to come out of a field with everything still attached let alone an odd dripping nozzle. The only glass left in the cab was the windscreen as the acid had eaten all the rubber seals on the rest of them, we did have bits of perspex to help divert some of the spray drift off yourself. It was an absolute witch of a machine especially when spraying on a roasting day dressed in just your boxers under the black spraysuit with the hood up and your gauntlet nitrile gloves. I swear I used to lose a stone through sweat covering 1000acres!

in the late sixties i used to spray acid with no cab. pull donkey jacket over head and keep going. sometimes used to nip a bit. h&s?

nick channer · Nov 24, 2016

Never had any of our sprayers tested till last year when thought about going crop assured
Not even the 5 year one!!
Who polices that??

Selectamatic · Nov 24, 2016

@Skimmer, did I read your post right, and you are a verified tester of crop sprayers?

If so, would you be happy to answer my original post please, what happens if I don't bother with my Sprayer MOT from a legal point of view?

Badshot · Nov 24, 2016

Selectamatic said:
@Skimmer, did I read your post right, and you are a verified tester of crop sprayers?

If so, would you be happy to answer my original post please, what happens if I don't bother with my Sprayer MOT from a legal point of view?

My guess is it will be a requirement of cross compliance so on rpa inspection it will be checked, if not in place then a fine.

DRC · Nov 24, 2016

The cynic in me says, get a contractor in to do the odd field, as we do with maize, then hide your own when the assurance man comes round.

bobk · Nov 24, 2016

silverfox said:
The cynic in me says, get a contractor in to do the odd field, as we do with maize, then hide your own when the assurance man comes round.

They will need his details though , nroso and all that crap, and crop records... well mine would

Skimmer · Nov 24, 2016

Badshot said:
My guess is it will be a requirement of cross compliance so on rpa inspection it will be checked, if not in place then a fine.

That's correct, its not up to us to police it.

Old McDonald · Nov 24, 2016

Y Fan Wen said:
Does that mean my atv sprayer doesn't need testing?

I do not know, but I do know mine is exempt because of being under 3m. Of course Portugal is a sensible country when it comes to regulating us peasants.

Pheasant Surprise · Nov 24, 2016

Old McDonald said:
I do not know, but I do know mine is exempt because of being under 3m. Of course Portugal is a sensible country when it comes to regulating us peasants.

Only knapsacks and handheld equipment are exempt from 5 yearly (and from 2020, 3 yearly inspection intervals) here.

Boom sprayers 3 metres and under are required to be tested every 6 years instead of 5/3 years.

That's regulation for all pesticide users, not only farmers.

neilo · Nov 24, 2016

bobk said:
They will need his details though , nroso and all that crap, and crop records... well mine would

Go orgasmic and hide the sprayer then?

Cowabunga · Nov 24, 2016

Any black Friday deals on new mounted sprayers with all the fandango fancy bits, fully tested for five years?

Old McDonald · Nov 24, 2016

Pheasant Surprise said:
Only knapsacks and handheld equipment are exempt from 5 yearly (and from 2020, 3 yearly inspection intervals) here.

Boom sprayers 3 metres and under are required to be tested every 6 years instead of 5/3 years.

That's regulation for all pesticide users, not only farmers.

I wonder why Brussels decided 3m and not some other width. It seems a lot of directives come out with something similar - no logical reason for choosing a specific figure. Why, infact, do they permit member states to make their own regulations under broad outline directives?

Here is an extract from the relevant directive and note particularly Para.2 in bold. How are they going to ensure that every sprayer has been inspected by 14 Dec? What is supposed to happen to sprayers that have not been inspected by then?

CHAPTER III PESTICIDE APPLICATION EQUIPMENT Article 8 Inspection of equipment in use
1. Member States shall ensure that pesticide application equipment in professional use shall be subject to inspections at regular intervals. The interval between inspections shall not exceed five years until 2020 and shall not exceed three years thereafter.
2. By 14 December 2016, Member States shall ensure that pesticide application equipment has been inspected at least once. After this date only pesticide application equipment having successfully passed inspection shall be in professional use. New equipment shall be inspected at least once within a period of five years after purchase.
3. By way of derogation from paragraphs 1 and 2 and, following a risk assessment for human health and the environment including an assessment of the scale of the use of the equipment,
Member States may: (a) apply different timetables and inspection intervals to pesticide application equipment not used for spraying pesticides, to handheld pesticide application equipment or knapsack sprayers and to additional pesticide application equipment that represent a very low scale of use, which shall be listed in the National Action Plans provided for in Article 4.
The following additional pesticide application equipment shall never be considered as constituting a very low scale of use: (i) spraying equipment mounted on trains or aircraft; L 309/76 Official Journal of the European Union 24.11.2009 EN ( 1) OJ L 200, 30.7.1999, p. 1. (ii) boom sprayers larger than 3 m, including boom sprayers that are mounted on sowing equipment;

JWL · Nov 24, 2016

2wheels said:
in the late sixties i used to spray acid with no cab. pull donkey jacket over head and keep going. sometimes used to nip a bit. h&s?

It was the acid burns in the crook of your elbow where the acid ran down your arms under your protective suit and pooled on your skin. I had made the mistake of wearing some glass lensed glasses when I first went out, they soon got etched by the drift, the funniest sight you'll ever see is when your boss comes strolling across a bit you've allready sprayed wearing a new pair of jeans. They became shorts before he walked the headland bout!

farmer99 · Nov 25, 2016

Speaking to a guy who supplies sprayers he reckoned testing was bad for him as so many of the smaller growers went to using contractors so he lost sales and spares trade.Has anyone else heard that the test is being tightened up re boom yaw my tester sair after 2018 my knight would fail on this and potentially also fail by not having individual nozzle shut off which they are talking about

Cowabunga · Nov 25, 2016

farmer99 said:
Speaking to a guy who supplies sprayers he reckoned testing was bad for him as so many of the smaller growers went to using contractors so he lost sales and spares trade.Has anyone else heard that the test is being tightened up re boom yaw my tester sair after 2018 my knight would fail on this and potentially also fail by not having individual nozzle shut off which they are talking about

It's all a complete load of rubbish. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all these regulations come to pass. The powers that be only want organic farming and furry wildlife roaming the UK countryside. They want to turn it into a big park and if UK farmers can't produce actual food under those circumstances, they will be further condemned as being uncompetitive. This even while they import from the cheapest sources possible with no regard to 'rules'. We are being trussed up, bent over a barrel and prepared for a jolly good old-fashioned rogering.

David. · Nov 25, 2016

farmer99 said:
Speaking to a guy who supplies sprayers he reckoned testing was bad for him as so many of the smaller growers went to using contractors so he lost sales and spares trade.Has anyone else heard that the test is being tightened up re boom yaw my tester sair after 2018 my knight would fail on this and potentially also fail by not having individual nozzle shut off which they are talking about

Sounds like cobblers to me, will be very few new machines about with individual shut offs, let alone even relatively young machines.

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