Its about time to put the Great back in Briton and the United back in Kingdom

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

turbo said:
I have to agree with the last part and i was a remainer but I have now seen the error of my ways.A vote to leave was a vote to leave everything not to cherry pick what the elite think we should have.We were all worned a before what could happen from both sides but the leave lot made a better case for their side so I say just get on with it that's what our elected representative are there to do.

All this dragging out of it is doing is causing more uncertainty and putting off investment, this is nothing to do with brexiteers, it's sabotage by people who don't want it, they should be ashamed

Nevermind the 5 billion net we've paid over in the time since the referendum.

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
linky/video of where Farage said Before the referendum, that we would get back 350 million and a link of where Hannan, before the referendum said immigration would be cut?

Cameron said he wouldn't leave as pm if we voted leave, he also said article 50 would be invoked the day after we leave, and he also said, with the rest of the remainers, a vote to leave the EU, is a vote to leave the single market, so quit the bullsh!t because the remain side were the biggest liars going, and that's why they lost.

And while we're at it, yes the fvcking judges should be elected, there's way too many conflicts of interest in this country and that's why we're in the sh!t, just look at the child abuse inquiry, they're on what, the 4th chair now because they're all pissing in the same pot, it is going to end.

Brexiteers must be very thick if they voted for imaginary promises, or if they don't believe that Leave lied.

As to Cameron, he did what any responsible politician could only have done in the circumstances and acknowledged his opponents victory. It was they who refused to take it, your champions.

Remain lost because they were on the wrong side of the argument. Yes they made promises that were not kept after the event, but they were things that had to be said because idiots would riot if they were told the truth. Cameron couldn't mid campaign say "and because Boris is with you, if you win I'll resign without triggering article 50" think about it.

As to the blatant untruths of the Leave campaign which continue and are propagated by zealots like yourself, you can argue that those things had to be said as well, that the masses had to be jolted into voting Out if Brexit was to stand a chance. Fair enough, alls fair and all that, but please give me enough credit not to dress that up as anything but blatant lies.

And if you think elected judges are a good idea look at the US Supreme Court. Shambolic. Politics has no place in justice. The democracy of this country only works if it's individual pillars are strong and independent.

Running the country is not putting the World to rights Ina blydi pub...

nivilla1982 · Dec 24, 2016

The Justices of the Supreme Court are not elected, they are Presidential Appointees confirmed by the Senate.

Ashtree · Dec 24, 2016

Meanwhile may I take this opportunity to wish you all a very peaceful and merry Christmas.
I thought a Christmas carol sung by Frank Kelly (Fr. Jack in Fr. Ted). It's got a farming slant in it as well. Happy Christmas

its yourself · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
linky/video of where Farage said Before the referendum, that we would get back 350 million and a link of where Hannan, before the referendum said immigration would be cut?

Cameron said he wouldn't leave as pm if we voted leave, he also said article 50 would be invoked the day after we leave, and he also said, with the rest of the remainers, a vote to leave the EU, is a vote to leave the single market, so quit the bullsh!t because the remain side were the biggest liars going, and that's why they lost.

And while we're at it, yes the fvcking judges should be elected, there's way too many conflicts of interest in this country and that's why we're in the sh!t, just look at the child abuse inquiry, they're on what, the 4th chair now because they're all pissing in the same pot, it is going to end.

Judges should be independent.

The soldier in question should be in jail.

We are not the FSB. We don’t murder prisoners.

We have laws and standards of decency.

For now at least.

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

nivilla1982 said:
The Justices of the Supreme Court are not elected, they are Presidential Appointees confirmed by the Senate.

Politically appointed, same horse different kettle.

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
Brexiteers must be very thick if they voted for imaginary promises, or if they don't believe that Leave lied.

As to Cameron, he did what any responsible politician could only have done in the circumstances and acknowledged his opponents victory. It was they who refused to take it, your champions.

Remain lost because they were on the wrong side of the argument. Yes they made promises that were not kept after the event, but they were things that had to be said because idiots would riot if they were told the truth. Cameron couldn't mid campaign say "and because Boris is with you, if you win I'll resign without triggering article 50" think about it.

As to the blatant untruths of the Leave campaign which continue and are propagated by zealots like yourself, you can argue that those things had to be said as well, that the masses had to be jolted into voting Out if Brexit was to stand a chance. Fair enough, alls fair and all that, but please give me enough credit not to dress that up as anything but blatant lies.

And if you think elected judges are a good idea look at the US Supreme Court. Shambolic. Politics has no place in justice. The democracy of this country only works if it's individual pillars are strong and independent.

Running the country is not putting the World to rights Ina blydi pub...

Link to your accusations please, not a load of waffle crying about everyone else, either make with the evidence , or retract it. quite simple.

Also, do the public vote for the judges directly? if not, then you've just made more pointless noise.

What i find amusing is, you still don't get why you lost, you lost because plenty of people, did their research about what the eu is about, and wanted rid of it, the leave campaign's had absolutely nothing to do with the vote, the polling suggest they didn't make one bit of difference to what people wanted to do.

So people wanted to leave even before the campaigns toke place, who you going to blame for that?! taking in to account, the polls at best were 5% out throughout that time.

It's the same crap as extreme leftists saying the daily mail, which has a readership of 2 million a day, influences an electorate of 45 million, it's pure rubbish and frankly the longer you keep your head in the sand, the better.

Henarar · Dec 24, 2016

Ashtree said:
Meanwhile may I take this opportunity to wish you all a very peaceful and merry Christmas.
I thought a Christmas carol sung by Frank Kelly (Fr. Jack in Fr. Ted). It's got a farming slant in it as well. Happy Christmas

Very good

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
Link to your accusations please, not a load of waffle crying about everyone else, either make with the evidence , or retract it. quite simple.

Also, do the public vote for the judges directly? if not, then you've just made more pointless noise.

Sorry to be rude, but just who the f**k do you think you are? And where the f**k do you think we are? This is a forum not a peer reviewed journal.

And again sorry for the ad hom, but sometimes people draw it onto themselves. If the level of your argument is that politically appointed judges being bad isn't a reason not to directly elect judges then sorry I don't think anything I can say will possibly help you.

Ashtree · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
Link to your accusations please, not a load of waffle crying about everyone else, either make with the evidence , or retract it. quite simple.

Also, do the public vote for the judges directly? if not, then you've just made more pointless noise.

What i find amusing is, you still don't get why you lost, you lost because plenty of people, did their research about what the eu is about, and wanted rid of it, the leave campaign's had absolutely nothing to do with the vote, the polling suggest they didn't make one bit of difference to what people wanted to do.

So people wanted to leave even before the campaigns toke place, who you going to blame for that?! taking in to account, the polls at best were 5% out throughout that time.

It's the same crap as extreme leftists saying the daily mail, which has a readership of 2 million a day, influences an electorate of 45 million, it's pure rubbish and frankly the longer you keep your head in the sand, the better.

Gentleman....... it's Christmas Eve. Time for a truce. Have an egg nog or seven. Even in the WW1 trenches they found time for a truce. Have a listen.

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
Sorry to be rude, but just who the fudge do you think you are? And where the fudge do you think we are? This is a forum not a peer reviewed journal.

And again sorry for the ad hom, but sometimes people draw it onto themselves. If the level of your argument is that politically appointed judges being bad isn't a reason not to directly elect judges then sorry I don't think anything I can say will possibly help you.

That doesn't even make sense, go sit down and calm yourself, then come back and back your evidence up, i'm fedup of smug lying remainers getting away with not being held accountable, you are a repeat offender, who gets called out, and then fvcks off for months.

And read the rest of the post, you will probably shut your big yap by then

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Ashtree said:
Gentleman....... it's Christmas Eve. Time for a truce. Have an egg nog or seven. Even in the WW1 trenches they found time for a truce. Have a listen.

i did go Lidl last night, but alas they didn't have much German Christmas fayre i was looking for...

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
That doesn't even make sense, go sit down and calm yourself, then come back and back your evidence up.

And read the rest of the post, you will probably shut your big yap by then

Sorry, ad hom is shorthand for ad hominem, a rule of debating which suggests you attack an opponents reasoning rather than him his self.

Being obsessed with an opponents sources rather than responding to his rational is called a false dichotomy.

But anyway, you want you tube clips of Farage saying something...

jendan · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
Sorry, ad hom is shorthand for ad hominem, a rule of debating which suggests you attack an opponents reasoning rather than him his self.

Being obsessed with an opponents sources rather than responding to his rational is called a false dichotomy.

But anyway, you want you tube clips of Farage saying something...

Very interesting! Whats your background and what does your forum name mean? Or how do you pronounce it?

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
Sorry, ad hom is shorthand for ad hominem, a rule of debating which suggests you attack an opponents reasoning rather than him his self.

Being obsessed with an opponents sources rather than responding to his rational is called a false dichotomy.

But anyway, you want you tube clips of Farage saying something...

yap yap incase you missed it, i'll post the second part of my post again.

What i find amusing is, you still don't get why you lost, you lost because plenty of people, did their research about what the eu is about, and wanted rid of it, the leave campaign's had absolutely nothing to do with the vote, the polling suggest they didn't make one bit of difference to what people wanted to do.

So people wanted to leave even before the campaigns toke place, who you going to blame for that?! taking in to account, the polls at best were 5% out throughout that time.

It's the same crap as extreme leftists saying the daily mail, which has a readership of 2 million a day, influences an electorate of 45 million, it's pure rubbish and frankly the longer you keep your head in the sand, the better.

Now where is the vid of Farage saying the NHS will get 350 million, or the video of Dan Hannan asking for immigration to be stopped? or were they lies you thought you would add in and hope noone would pull you up on it, also, welcome to 2005, quoting Fallacy bingo at me

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
Now where is the vid of Farage saying the NHS will get 350 million, or the video of Dan Hannan asking for immigration to be stopped?

The Nuremberg Defence isn't going to work here sorry. The leaders and mouthpieces of the Leave campaigns, official or unofficial (unless they specifically disowned the claims, which none of them did) share responsibility for the claims, if they personally made them or not. There was a reason Farage and Hannan were interviewed about the NHS claim and the immigration claims, because of that responsibility.

Farage if you recall conceded defeat after the polls closed causing the £ to look like strengthening before it plummeted when it became clear he was talking out of his arse.

czechmate · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
The Nuremberg Defence isn't going to work here sorry. The leaders and mouthpieces of the Leave campaigns, official or unofficial (unless they specifically disowned the claims, which none of them did) share responsibility for the claims, if they personally made them or not. There was a reason Farage and Hannan were interviewed about the NHS claim and the immigration claims, because of that responsibility.

Farage if you recall conceded defeat after the polls closed causing the £ to look like strengthening before it plummeted when it became clear he was talking out of his arse.

When he spoke his first word?

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Ysgythan said:
The Nuremberg Defence isn't going to work here sorry. The leaders and mouthpieces of the Leave campaigns, official or unofficial (unless they specifically disowned the claims, which none of them did) share responsibility for the claims, if they personally made them or not. There was a reason Farage and Hannan were interviewed about the NHS claim and the immigration claims, because of that responsibility.

Farage if you recall conceded defeat after the polls closed causing the £ to look like strengthening before it plummeted when it became clear he was talking out of his arse.

Smoke and mirrors, you know neither of them said it nor made the claims, quite simple nor did it have any bearing on the result, why exactly should they have to disown what someone else said, i never saw Cameron disown anything the communists that wanted to remain in the eu said?!

Nor did you acknowledge the rest of the post

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Why post something that is simply untrue? 350 million does go to the EU, of which Gove etc that spout it, have never said anything otherwise, and Dan Hannan never said anything in the debate about immigration.

Why has house prices not gone down 20% like Osborne said? i was looking for a bargain.

I've seen this argument had before, it's a boring attempt to discredit the result to make you feel better.

RobFZS · Dec 24, 2016

Infact, i'm fairly sure both was asked them very questions before the vote, and both did discredit them, Hannon wanted more immigration and Farage never mentioned anything but the NET figure, both have been very consistent views all along, anyone with a brain, could separate the different campaigns.

Also, Farage is attacked for wanting to privatise the NHS supposedly, so why the hell would he give it 350 million?!

the remainers have pure doublethink.

Ysgythan · Dec 24, 2016

RobFZS said:
Smoke and mirrors, you know neither of them said it nor made the claims, quite simple nor did it have any bearing on the result, why exactly should they have to disown what someone else said, i never saw Cameron disown anything the communists that wanted to remain in the eu said?!

Nor did you acknowledge the rest of the post .

Why post something that is simply untrue? 350 million does go to the EU, of which Gove etc that spout it, have never said anything otherwise, and Dan Hannan never said anything in the debate about immigration.

Why has house prices not gone down 20% like Osborne said? i was looking for a bargain.

I've seen this argument had before, it's a boring attempt to discredit the result to make you feel better.

I don't care if they personally said them or not they added their political weight to the campaign with those things as their central tenets. As I said there's no hiding behind orders is orders, if they are not prepared take collective responsibility for the campaign then how on earth are they going to be fit to run the Country?

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