UK Farming subs to continue until 2022.......MABYE WE DO MATTER??

Grassman · May 18, 2017

Bossfarmer said:
http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/conservative-manifesto-pledges-to-extend-funding-for-farmers.htm

Conservatives pledge to continue funding until 2022, mabye farmers votes do matter afterall?

Oh heck! I hope you don't feel like a UKIP politician now. The jobs done. You will have nothing to talk about now.
You and Pasty can make up now!

Flat 10 · May 18, 2017

onthehoof said:
But aren't they pulling in opposite directions by pledging to 'grow more, sell more and export more' while working with Natural England (who from my experience have only ever wanted to reduce production) to produce a 25 year plan.

Do they know what they are doing 25mins ahead......?!

spin cycle · May 18, 2017

willy said:
Yes but I thought you can't have direct subsidys?

oooooh....did not know that......perhaps she's planning a soft brexit then :scratchhead:

DrDunc · May 18, 2017

Well at least the red tape burden will be reduced and we will all get more for our produce

.....

Oh, no, wait..... Bugger

ThatsSomeSheep · May 18, 2017

So the issue is kicked a little further into the long grass?

2 years is hardly a blink in farming - whichever side of the subs argument you chose.

And - if they can change/ignore/overrule the law re fixed term parliaments as they see fit, I wouldn't hold out on a pledge for a week next Tuesday, never mind 5 years time.

TSS

Goweresque · May 18, 2017

spin cycle said:
well they'll be import taxes of 46% on cheese and 20% on tomatos for starters.....tarrifs cut both ways

the supermarkets/govt have got the wind up about rising food prices....thats why subsidies must continue because a countryside unplanted.....risks huge food inflation

No, WTO rules set maximum tariffs, not minimum ones. If the UK is trading under WTO rules we're perfectly entitled to unilaterally set our tariffs at zero if we want to. So the idea that imports will get more expensive is not true.

spin cycle · May 18, 2017

Goweresque said:
No, WTO rules set maximum tariffs, not minimum ones. If the UK is trading under WTO rules we're perfectly entitled to unilaterally set our tariffs at zero if we want to. So the idea that imports will get more expensive is not true.

oh bugger i'll get me coat

....that'll teach me to listen to radio 4...or was it in the telegraph :scratchhead:

bobk · May 18, 2017

Hilly said:
I whould and will be looking at retiring in 10 years so all is good.

I said that at your age , still here but on my terms.

Pasty · May 18, 2017

Sensible announcement from the Tories. As mentioned, no chance of putting together a decent alternative for 2021.

I guess smart farmers will be getting up to speed on enviro schemes now. The past has shown that those already 'on board' are more likely to be favoured.

Goweresque · May 18, 2017

spin cycle said:
oh bugger i'll get me coat....that'll teach me to listen to radio 4...or was it in the telegraph

Its a common Remain myth that if we are trading under WTO rules that tariffs 'have' to be at certain levels. Its nonsense. The UK could unilaterally declare free trade for all imports if it chose to. The WTO is an organisation dedicated to liberalising world trade, and reducing tariff levels, its not going to demand a country impose tariffs when it doesn't want to.

bobk · May 18, 2017

You can forget enviro schemes , mid tier sorted that.

spin cycle · May 18, 2017

Pasty said:
I guess smart farmers will be getting up to speed on enviro schemes now. The past has shown that those already 'on board' are more likely to be favoured.

dunno about that...i have a very good hls/els scheme....but i doubt i'll be looking to replace it with whats on offer at mo...plus 10 years is just to long to tie up.....having said that i'v so much wildlife running about i'd miss it if i took the options out

Pasty · May 18, 2017

bobk said:
You can forget enviro schemes , mid tier sorted that.

In what sense? They aren't worth it? Must admit nothing appealed to me with mid tier although I don't have the scale to make a lot of the options worth filling out a form for!

Pasty · May 18, 2017

spin cycle said:
dunno about that...i have a very good hls/els scheme....but i doubt i'll be looking to replace it with whats on offer at mo...plus 10 years is just to long to tie up.....having said that i'v so much wildlife running about i'd miss it if i took the options out

Get a gun. Once you've shot everything you can get money to let them come back. Like hedges. Paid to knock them down. Paid to put them back up.......

bobk · May 18, 2017

Pasty said:
In what sense? They aren't worth it? Must admit nothing appealed to me with mid tier although I don't have the scale to make a lot of the options worth filling out a form for!

Schemes are only as good as the people running them.

Pasty · May 18, 2017

Anyway, this is going off topic now. Can we start the massive, 48 page argument about subs now?

DrWazzock · May 18, 2017

Pasty said:
Get a gun. Once you've shot everything you can get money to let them come back. Like hedges. Paid to knock them down. Paid to put them back up.......

We visited some new grant aided state of the art dairy farms showcased in this area by ADAS or MAFF when I was a lad.

A few years later they were paying them to stop production.

It just goes round and round.

Anyway, at least the subs will see me through till (early) retirement. Or maybe I will finally have worked out how to do the job right by then.

spin cycle · May 18, 2017

DrWazzock said:
We visited some new grant aided state of the art dairy farms showcased in this area by ADAS or MAFF when I was a lad.

A few years later they were paying them to stop production.

It just goes round and round.

Anyway, at least the subs will see me through till (early) retirement. Or maybe I will finally have worked out how to do the job right by then.

bloody spring chicken

czechmate · May 18, 2017

bobk said:
I said that at your age , still here but on my terms.

You are retired aren't you?

czechmate · May 18, 2017

Pasty said:
Sensible announcement from the Tories. As mentioned, no chance of putting together a decent alternative for 2021.

I guess smart farmers will be getting up to speed on enviro schemes now. The past has shown that those already 'on board' are more likely to be favoured.

Gives them time to build up chicken breeding stock...

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