UK Farming subs to continue until 2022.......MABYE WE DO MATTER??

[beefandsleep]

Sensible announcement from the Tories. As mentioned, no chance of putting together a decent alternative for 2021.

I guess smart farmers will be getting up to speed on enviro schemes now. The past has shown that those already 'on board' are more likely to be favoured.

Actually your wrong there, the past has shown that those who bought into stewardship and carried out large scale reversion and in my opinion degradation of their land are now being penalised as their applications for continued payments from higher level stewardship are rejected leaving them with unproductive land which will cost them a fortune to get back into shape.

 

[7610 super q]

So farmers that grow human food are to be disadvantaged ?

WAG did that in 2005, when they implemented the ' historic ' scheme. They decided those growing spuds/ veg were ineligible for payments. 3 years later this was kicked into touch. Those who gave up veg during those years were slaughtered.

pansies.

 

[Red Fred]

Actually your wrong there, the past has shown that those who bought into stewardship and carried out large scale reversion and in my opinion degradation of their land are now being penalised as their applications for continued payments from higher level stewardship are rejected leaving them with unproductive land which will cost them a fortune to get back into shape.

I can't see that, myself. We have been in HLS and I've reinvested all the payouts back into the farm . I'm far better equipped for the future than I would otherwise have been and have a good basis for continuing after the scheme. The farm certainly isn't an abandoned wasteland, I've gone on at about the same level as I would have done within the same physical constraints as everyone else, which restrict us far more than any made-up regulations. I should add we are all grassland here, and weedcontrol, etc is still a priority even in the scheme. I'm 300 acres with 150 cows, various sheep pigs and haysales, etc, and the place is as busy as ever.

 

[beefandsleep]

I know of one Shropshire farmer who feels very let down by EN. He flooded a large area of previously very productive arable land, no one will be more committed to farmland conservation than him but the rug has been pulled.

 

[DRC]

HLS was good for us, as the payments were good and we didn't loose too much land to complete fallow. Arable reversion paid £140 and could still graze or cut after 1st July , then things like over wintered stubble and £40 acre for growing stubble turnips . I grew to dislike the field margins as more weeds just grow out of the hedge. Was glad when you could top them.
Mid tier didn't want to continue paying on the same fields of reversion, as they said they're now p pasture, so ploughed them up.
Other options were then hardly worth doing, so in a way they shot themselves in the foot.

 

[beefandsleep]

Yes, I agree, it was good as long as the original agreement lasted but I would challenge the assertion that early adopters of stewardship are or will be favoured going forward as that is definitely not the case.

 

[Red Fred]

they told me each case will simply be judged on its own merits, but being in an SSSI will help towards it rather than previous scheme history.

 

[Bossfarmer]

If they want to pay me for doing conservation stuff fair enough ill set a few hundred acres aside and take the payments

 

[ThatsSomeSheep]

If they want to pay me for doing conservation stuff fair enough ill set a few hundred acres aside and take the payments

But vege growers shouldn't receive support?

TSS

 

[Hfd Cattle]

The Tory party needs the farming community on side to put up all the advertising posters etc etc ....... Can't see any labour voter owning land let alone a farm they wouldn't have the business nouse.
It's a funny thing farmers mostly do better under a Labour Government cos they handle the economy so bad yet the majority of us vote Tory.

 

[Bossfarmer]

But vege growers shouldn't receive support?

TSS

its nothing to them anyway

 

[Bossfarmer]

The Tory party needs the farming community on side to put up all the advertising posters etc etc ....... Can't see any labour voter owning land let alone a farm they wouldn't have the business nouse.
It's a funny thing farmers mostly do better under a Labour Government cos they handle the economy so bad yet the majority of us vote Tory.

no mention whatsoever of farm subsidies in the labour manifesto

 

[ThatsSomeSheep]

its nothing to them anyway

!!!???!!

TSS

 

[Hilly]

The Tory party needs the farming community on side to put up all the advertising posters etc etc ....... Can't see any labour voter owning land let alone a farm they wouldn't have the business nouse.
It's a funny thing farmers mostly do better under a Labour Government cos they handle the economy so bad yet the majority of us vote Tory.

Because we are sensible and dont just vote on one policy.

 

[bumkin]

lets just wait and see, nowt certain only death and rent day

 

[bumkin]

I know of one Shropshire farmer who feels very let down by EN. He flooded a large area of previously very productive arable land, no one will be more committed to farmland conservation than him but the rug has been pulled.

i'm all for conservation ,but most of their ideas are flawed, if they think letting drains back up and hedge bottoms fill up with rank creeping grass is going to encourage wildlife the are mistaken,when i was young the farms where i lived kept the hedges trim and used hedge bottom ploughs the crop grew to the hedge and we had hares and partridge and sky larks i am not going to say what i think the problem is as that's a whole new can of worms