Arla

meekers

Member
I'm I just being cynical or was this announcement after Arla had tied , ALL its members in for a year or before ?

You are correct. Was this deliberate? Doubt it but only the UKAF board will know. You are not the first person to question this. I have previously asked for BOR meetings and UKAF board meetings to have minutes published on the website to help transparency but am still awaiting on my request despite being told this could happen.
 

bar718

Member
You are correct. Was this deliberate? Doubt it but only the UKAF board will know. You are not the first person to question this. I have previously asked for BOR meetings and UKAF board meetings to have minutes published on the website to help transparency but am still awaiting on my request despite being told this could happen.

That is a good idea in principle about the minutes but there will always be things discussed at those meetings that if minuted could not be published due to the commercial sensitivity of the subject and if the minutes were published with parts missed out and the word " retracted " printed in its place then that in itself would only lead to issues and rumours with claims that the coop is not transparent enough . #cannotwin
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
That is a good idea in principle about the minutes but there will always be things discussed at those meetings that if minuted could not be published due to the commercial sensitivity of the subject and if the minutes were published with parts missed out and the word " retracted " printed in its place then that in itself would only lead to issues and rumours with claims that the coop is not transparent enough . #cannotwin
Well you have two part meetings like we had on school governors. Part 1 was open. Part two was private and sensitive.
Not rocket science.
 

Hanspree

Member
Location
Lancashire
What is the crack with Arla? There are farmers round us are suddenly buying/Importing cows because they say if they don't send enough milk in september they will get penalised.
If this is true are Arla actually helping the dairy industry.
This is driving the price of cows up so no one else can compete with them.
The next thing we will know is arla will have enough milk so they wont need to increase the milk price.
 

bar718

Member
What is the crack with Arla? There are farmers round us are suddenly buying/Importing cows because they say if they don't send enough milk in september they will get penalised.
If this is true are Arla actually helping the dairy industry.
This is driving the price of cows up so no one else can compete with them.
The next thing we will know is arla will have enough milk so they wont need to increase the milk price.

No one will get penalised for not sending enough milk but it will probably be driven by the seasonality paying 125% in September on any litres over base litres.
 
Well said Will ... They also have the efficiency that a large co-op provide ... Smaller scale co-op operators can struggle when this efficiency of scale is lost .. I know it's obvious but lets just remind everyone now and again .. July price from NI co-op dale seems reasonable almost ... jtt
 

sidjon

Member
Location
EXMOOR
Sid you probably saw the recent articles about the Ornua's Pilgrim Choice cheddar replacing Anchor at Asda. As dinderleat has said it is a very heavily discounted sector.
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ar-sales-slump-and-disappear-from-supermarket
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/737203/cheese-sales-UK-decrease-60-million-high-street-supermarket
OH had come back with half a car load of Anchor cheddar today purchasedo from the supermarket, so looks like it available again
 

peclova

Member
Haven't we always had some suppliers aligned to supermarkets who received a small premium to cover the extra required by the buyer , I thought Sainsbury's farmers got 1 penny extra for the extra measures required , so in essence there is nothing new here other than we have won a contract for sole supply to another supermarket , has to be better than refusing their requests and them going to a private processor that happily pays two neighbouring farmers 8 pence difference per litre

I disagree. If Arlagarden isn't good enough then they should go elsewhere with their divide and rule tactics.

Or are the "Added Value" Product Managers frightened that they will be delisted if these demands for higher standards not accepted. Once again it looks to me as if Arla are caving in and now trying to justify the weakness of the sales team. Each time one of these deals are done it makes further mockery of the so called "Common Payment".
 

bar718

Member
I disagree. If Arlagarden isn't good enough then they should go elsewhere with their divide and rule tactics.

Or are the "Added Value" Product Managers frightened that they will be delisted if these demands for higher standards not accepted. Once again it looks to me as if Arla are caving in and now trying to justify the weakness of the sales team. Each time one of these deals are done it makes further mockery of the so called "Common Payment".

You are missing a very big point here , and that is if a customer of Arla's wants extra standards imposed on its milk supplying farmers , fair enough as long as they are willing to pay for the costs to them farmers then as in this case that is all that is happening so the actual amount of money paid into the common payment pool ( for want of a better expression) is no different with or without this money as the extra money paid by Morrisons for the extra standards would not be forth coming unless those standards were met by the supplying farmers . So in effect Morrisons are still paying the same amount per litre into the common payment pot to be divided up equally among all members plus an extra amount above that price to cover the costs of the extra standards . So non aligned members do not loose out in this deal .
 

meekers

Member
You are missing a very big point here , and that is if a customer of Arla's wants extra standards imposed on its milk supplying farmers , fair enough as long as they are willing to pay for the costs to them farmers then as in this case that is all that is happening so the actual amount of money paid into the common payment pool ( for want of a better expression) is no different with or without this money as the extra money paid by Morrisons for the extra standards would not be forth coming unless those standards were met by the supplying farmers . So in effect Morrisons are still paying the same amount per litre into the common payment pot to be divided up equally among all members plus an extra amount above that price to cover the costs of the extra standards . So non aligned members do not loose out in this deal .

Not sure I totally agree with this. At the end of the day this is costing Morrisons £4.5milllion. This money has to have come out of Morrisons budget for milk, they didn't just suddenly find an extra lump of cash from somewhere else.
 

Coo man

Member
Not sure I totally agree with this. At the end of the day this is costing Morrisons £4.5milllion. This money has to have come out of Morrisons budget for milk, they didn't just suddenly find an extra lump of cash from somewhere else.
Plus they are getting aligned milk on the cheap bybonly paying an extra penny whereas Tesco sainsburys could pay 5/6p extra
 

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